Sarada is Sasukes and Karins kid, calling it now. I don't believe any of the "He gave her his old eyes" theories for the glasses. He probably didn't even have them anymore, he wasn't the kinda guy to keep something that was worthless to him at the point in his life.
The Uchiha kid and his master are new elements I was not expecting so soon in, I don't have much to offer on them aside from what I've seen on here so far. The master is probably Orochimaru or Shisui (my money is on Orochimaru) and the kid is one of Orochimarus experiments.
I did watch it and it was neat but the animation was a little sloppy in some places. Granted, it's better than the filler crap they have been stuffing down our throats instead of actually finishing the anime. Any word on when this filler arc is gonna end?
I went to go see Avengers: Age of Ultron and it was amazing!
I'm glad I'm not the only one who suspects it, Kishi does like to troll his fans, but it goes both ways, he can make something so obvious you couldn't believe it, and then it turns out it is true. Tobi being Obito is a massive example of this.
Latest chapter has pretty much shown that it isn't Orochimaru or Shisui, but it is still possible they are experiments of Orochimaru, we'll probably find out more in the next chapter or so, hopefully.
Pretty much, or she could be one of those artificially inseminated experiments using Sasuke's DNA and an egg from Karin as a base. Basically, it could be some Sci-Fi stuff up in here, where Sasuke never does it with Karin and yet has a daughter that he finds and gives to Sakura. We really shouldn't be surprised when anything with Orochimaru in it happens.
Just in case you didn't know Griff, it's Eric. I changed my username because I like this one better. But do you guys really think that Kishi will turn this into an episode of Oprah when Sarada questions her real mother? Kishi won't go down that path.
@Griff- Really surprised you're buying into the whole "Sarada is Karin's daughter" crap. I have gone into so much detail as to why this would be bad for the story. I wouldn't mind writing it all again, but only if you want it.
Shin and his father are interesting, I won't doubt that, but I don't like the idea of the Uchiha being the villains once again. All of that should have ended after Naruto beat Sasuke. Now, if they are all a part of Orochimaru's plan (where Shin's father is an Edo Tensei and Shin is an experiment who actually believes he is a real Uchiha), then I'm all down for something like that.
You have to be honest, for a fan animation, that was absolutely incredible! I still think the actual anime will be way better, and so it's a great reference to show them what to do (I added it to that list). BTW, the last filler episode is next Thursday. Canon episodes return May 28th! However, be warned that because they are still working on the Boruto movie, the animation won't be as good as we want it to be for certain parts of the story (such as Guy vs. Madara- that will unfortunately take a big hit). For example, the first canon episode that returns (where Madara becomes the new Ten-Tails Jinchuriki) is being outsourced, which probably means his transformation unfortunately won't look so good.
That was an amazing movie! I think even better than the first one. Vision was obviously the best part.
@Omega- is Shisui not an option? Maybe not he himself, but his body sure as hell looks like it is. I went more in depth on the chapter discussion if you want more of an explanation.
Usually (maybe not always but usually) when a kid has glasses, it is because of one of the parents having needed glasses before as well. She bares a resemblence to Karin more than Sakura. I can't go off of hair color because she has black hair (assuming this was done intentionally to keep readers guessing about her parentage) but she does have the same typ of hair that Karin has. Sakura has wild hair and Karin has more tame hair.
Also, what's so surprising? I've had different theories than you guys before, you just usually match up with what I'm thinking. :p
Well it's mostly all about personal reasons as opposed to any story-based logic. Though the same can also be applied to Karin, as there's nothing tying her to Sarada other than the fact they both have glasses and that's it.
First of all, in nearly all of the special events/promotional images, Sarada is advertised as the daughter of Sasuke and Sakura, not Karin. Even one of the pictures at the new exhibition had a picture called "Sasuke's Family", which shows Sakura and Sarada. Not to mention all of the different interviews that Kishimoto has done where he explicitly states that Sasuke and Sakura are a couple, while also pointing out some physical similarities between Sakura and Sarada. One could interpret this as him trying to mask that Sarada is actually Karin's, but for all of the big media he's been involved in, I don't see him lying about something like that (especially since it's all so trivial in the end).
Next, look at Sarada's physical features. Her facial characteristics are actually extremely similar to Sakura's, more so than they are for Karin's. Without the glasses, there is nothing that even looks remotely similar between the two. When it comes to the glasses issue, the theory that Sarada doesn't have her real eyes are a very good one. This doesn't mean she has Sasuke's eyes, but just something similar along those lines. Also, when it comes to the entire genetics of the situation, poor eyesight is not always the case from a parent to an offspring. It is entirely possible for it to skip several generations before making a reappearance. For all we know, Sakura's parents or grandparents could have had glasses.
Finally, let's consider what this would do to the characters of both Sasuke and Sakura. Sasuke is already getting a lot of sh!t for not being a part of Sarada's life, but it would be so much worse if he just pawned his kid off to a girl he knows loves him. That would be the ultimate d!ck move of the century. However, Sakura's character would look even worse than it already is. Imagine finding out that she is willingly raising Sasuke and Karin's child- I would immediately lose all respect for her. There is absolutely no reason why she should raise a kid that isn't hers. Not only this, but if Sarada is not her child, then that also may mean that she and Sasuke are not married. This makes her look even more pathetic, as she is calling herself Sasuke's wife and wearing the Uchiha family crest on her back. It just would basically just look both of their characters look bad. That is the main concern.
Still against Kakashi susano'o which he acquired via wireless transfer but it was epic not gonna lie, whihc further supports my theory that Obito would have been unstoppable. With an EMS invincible even.
Wish Kishi would do Sakura's character justice but she's worthless. Such a shame that he didn't just kill her. What a waste that he ended up being with Sakura and having a child, it would have been better with Karin. I don't necessarily care about pairings but it would have been cool to see an Uchiha - Uzumaki descendant, a lot of potential, could even become Sage Of Six Paths tier. As for Naruto's children, I want the other child to become something along the lines of a nin with Gentle fist and Byakugan while also having Ninjutsu and sealing jutsus.
Pitty he won't do anything with Orochimaru's character, still against him turning over a new leaf. It would have been cool to have him take Madara's body and finally have the sharingan. Madara's death was painful.
Sasuke and Naruto fight was short, it was rushed. KIshi probably just made the revolution thing up just for them to fight. They tried to so hard to make it like Hashirama vs Madara, kind of lame just like Naruto in Road to Ninja when they tried so hard to make him be like his dad instead of being unique. The anime will do it justice though. I would have preferred if the Kaguya fight was quick and this fight be long. It seems they keep their power ups, would have been better if it was temporary just like Kakashi's case. Plus Hagoromo is gone so how does that make any sense. I still don't get why Sasuke has a unique Rinnegan and of course it had to better. I'm beating a dead horse, so much for "hard work". I don't get what was the point of them losing their arms.
Kakashi quiting just felt so forced just to have Naruto become Hokage, I've said it before and will say it again, Naruto is not Hokage material, Sasuke is more than Naruto. Shikamaru would have been better. I'm on the fence regarding him losing the sharingan, on one hand it gives a new start, no more being held back by it and the guilt, on another hand it is a shame that Obito eyes are wasted. He won't use the Raikiri now and probably stick with the rasengan for now since he can't use it w/o the dojutsu. He probably also lost a lot of jutsus including the 1000 he copied but this is speculation, but it would be cool to see him now, he can work on improving on opening more gates nd such.
Anko becoming fat did not expect that, makes me cringe to say the least, she was one of my favorite kunoichi. Boruto is just Naruto 3.0. I don't get how Ohnoki is still alive.
There, this will most likely be my last contributions, Naruto is over I dont think they can do anything to regain my interest, don't care for the Last, I read Naruto Gaiden the 7th Hokage and it's meh but it could turn to something awesome if done right, lot of potential. The anime will probably go on until Storm 4's release I think. Even managed to keep this pretty positive. Can't wait for the Japanese episodes. I will say this imo some of the new info in the new databook is complete bollocks.
Yeah, everyone is still against Kakashi's BS PS. But I really can't deny that the Kamui Shuriken was bad ass. Though that was the only good part about the entire situation. Other than that, I really don't know why he had it. The only other purpose was to save Sakura, but he didn't need a PS to do that. He could have just warped her to the other dimension. But that said, how would you have felt if Kakashi instead developed a basic Susanoo instead, with it being either the ribcage or the incomplete form of Susanoo? If that happened, I wouldn't have had any complaints. The only issue I had was that it was such an advanced form that it didn't make any sense how Kakashi could immediately use it at the drop of a hat.
You have to admit that the one panel of Sasuke "stabbing" Sakura in #693 is one of the best things Kishimoto has ever drawn. But yeah, Sakura still loving Sasuke even after his quest for revolution is beyond me. Though at the same time, this could be said for most of the pairings in Naruto. The only one that I truly believe is a healthy relationship is Shikamaru and Temari's- all the others are complete garbage. But I don't read Naruto for romantic BS, so I don't really care one way or the other. But back on point, I still prefer Sasuke and Sakura being together as opposed to Karin. Believe it or not, Sasuke's relationship with Karin was even more dysfunctional than the one he had with Sakura, and that's saying a lot.
It was confirmed that Orochimaru, as well as Taka, will be appearing in the miniseries. Based on how things are going, I predict Orochimaru may actually pose a serious threat as the major antagonist of this miniseries. If anything, that is my biggest reason for reading it- I just want to see what became of his character. Hopefully something much more interesting than him turning over a new leaf.
I personally loved the fight- it's one of my favorites, if not my overall favorite battle (that will only be determined after how the anime adapts it), for many different reasons. There's a lot to say, but I don't feel like going into it now. If you want to know why, just ask and I'll explain. If anything, the one major problem I had was that it was too short, but that is definitely something that will be handled better in the anime, as it will undoubtedly be extended. I think the idea of Sasuke's revolution had been brimming for awhile, as he was hinting towards this all the way since his appearance on the main battlefield. Did you not like the ending with them losing their arms? If anything, that was one of my favorite parts- the perfect ending to the battle. In the long run, I suppose it was just there for shock value, but it still worked very well. But I do have an explanation for why them losing their arms worked very well for the ending. It's a long one that I also don't want to explain too thoroughly right now, but here's the short version- basically, this was just a way of symbolizing that Naruto and Sasuke have finally come to terms with each other, with them literally becoming blood brothers. It was a clever twist on them doing the Sign of Recollection, which was driven home in the two page spread of #699 with the two statues also making the sign. Just be glad that this is what we got- Kishimoto's original idea was to make it so they were holding hands. Don't you think this was a much better outcome?
Well, just remember that while Kakashi was only Hokage for about half a chapter for us, he was the Sixth Hokage for probably close to a decade in the Narutoverse. It's just something we never saw that was expanded in The Last, the Naruto Hiden novels, and will most likely be expanded upon in the anime (you know they're going to milk this dry). Like you, I'm also on the fence about Kakashi's Sharingan. On one hand, it allows him to shine as a shinobi without depending on the Uchiha dojutsu. However on the other, not only can he not use copy techniques (which became his moniker) or use Kamui, but he also can no longer use Raikiri, as the Sharingan was a prerequisite to using the technique. So without it, Kakashi has lost so many of his signature abilities. It really makes me question whether or not he was Kage material at the time.
At the end of the War, I agree that Naruto was not yet ready to become the Hokage. But after a ten year timeskip, I completely believe he is qualified for the job. Not only is he the most powerful person living in the world, but he has also matured very much to the point where he can actually handle the requirements for the Hokage. This was demonstrated several times in #700 and #701.
Yeah, Ohnoki is like 112. He must be praying to Jashin...
You say that now, but you'll turn up again in a few months. You have this habit of disappearing and reappearing at random times. I'm pretty positive we'll talk again in the future. Until then, take care and thanks for all your contributions! :D
Ribcage would have been completely fine, it kind of downplays Madara and Sasuke him having a PS right off the bat. Yeah I agree with your observation about Temari and Shikamaru and the Sakura panel.
Never thought about it that way, your explanation makes sense and he did finally acknowledge Naruto some good character development there.
Now I'm even more curious Orochimaru is the one that got me into the series so can't wait.
Yeah you have a point , I'm interested in seeing Sarada's development and Sasuke did mention in Part I that his ambitions were killing Itachi and restore the Uchiha Clan how will he do it, maybe that's what his mission is and why he left and still hasn't come back for many years lol.
That was my main problem with it. The only person who should have been using PS at this time would be Sasuke. Now, if Kakashi kept his Mangekyo and developed a PS over many years, I still would have called BS, but it would have been a lot easier to swallow.
That's why #698 was not only my favorite chapter of last year, but also one of my favorite chapters of the series as a whole. Not only did we finally get to see Sasuke's true feelings, but this was ultimately the conclusion of their conflict that we had been following for over a decade. Their final clash and the ending were also great points that put this chapter on a pedestal.
That was something I had been considering, though I doubt it. Despite what everyone says, I do think there is something deep down inside Sasuke where he actually feels some type of affection towards Sakura. I'm just waiting for that to be revealed so I can say "I told you so" to a few people.
Alright, here you go. Like I said, this is kind of the short version- I have a lot more I am saving for the real discussion this summer. It may turn into rambling, but this is just what I have to say for now.
Sasuke is one of the more complex characters in the series, despite what some may think. Not only that, but he is also one of the characters who has one of the more tragic backgrounds- even more than Naruto (the only one who I can think of who may rival this is Kakashi). Not only is his story within the story extremely compelling, but there are many other attributes of Sasuke that make him what I consider to be the best character in the series.
Sasuke was born into what was thought as one of the more prestigious clans in Konoha (though unbeknownst to Sasuke and many other Konohagakure citizens, the Uchiha were actually ostracized by the government of the village). Sasuke was also the next reincarnate of Indra Otsutsuki, the son of the Sage of the Six Paths and brother of Asura Otsutsuki. Sasuke grew up in his older brother, Itachi’s, shadow, and constantly wanted to be acknowledged by his father, which ultimately led to him training very hard. Despite his jealousy, Sasuke deeply admired Itachi more than anyone else. One fateful night when Sasuke was eight years old, Itachi massacred the Uchiha Clans on the order of the Konoha Village elders in order to prevent a coup by the Uchiha. Because of his affection for his younger brother, Itachi left Sasuke alive and manipulated Sasuke into believing his older brother was a mass murderer. Before abandoning Konoha and joining Akatsuki, Itachi left Sasuke with a few choice words that resulted in Sasuke deciding to become an avenger and dedicate his life to killing his older brother. Because of this, Sasuke became isolated and blocked out everyone else from entering his life. The only one Sasuke was able to relate to was Naruto Uzumaki, a fellow companion of loneliness who was ostracized by the village due to his status as a Jinchuriki and who also happened to be Asura’s reincarnate. Though Sasuke desperately wanted to engage Naruto, he decided against it, as he believed it was a sign of weakness that would keep him from accomplishing his goals.
After graduating the Ninja Academy about four years later, Sasuke was put on Team 7 with Naruto and Sakura Haruno (who had a large crush on Sasuke that later blossomed into unrequited love) and under guidance of Kakashi Hatake. He completed many missions with Team 7, and even entered the Chunin Exams. During the exams, he was approached by a rogue Konoha shinobi known as Orochimaru, who offered Sasuke divine power in exchange for becoming his next vessel, as he desperately wanted to acquire the Sharingan. Though Sasuke resisted the temptation for a large amount of time, his conviction was tested when he met with Itachi once again, who was in the process of trying to capture Naruto for the Akatsuki, who wanted to acquire the Nine- Tailed Beast known as Kurama that rested within Naruto. After losing in battle to Itachi, and combined with his jealousy of Naruto’s rapid growth, Sasuke finally realized that he wasn’t as powerful as he wanted to be and abandoned Konohagakure in order to approach Orochimaru. Sakura attempted to stop him, but he easily neutralized her. Naruto eventually caught up to him and tried to convince him to return to the village, though to no avail. The two engaged in battle at the Valley of the End, which ultimately resulted in Sasuke’s victory, as he pressed onto Orochimaru’s.
Two years later, Sasuke had become extremely strong, surpassing many of his comrades and even his former master. At some point, he has a run in with the revived Team 7, though he easily manages to overpower each of them. Deciding he had learned all he could, Sasuke turned on Orochimaru and defeated him in combat, absorbing the remnants within himself. He then organized his own team of specialized shinobi known as Hebi, with the sole purpose of tracking down and killing Itachi. After many trials and tribulations, Sasuke finally met with Itachi in the Uchiha Clan Hideout, where they engaged in their final duel. Itachi managed to push Sasuke to the limit, to the point where he managed to remove all of Orochimaru’s influence from his younger brother. At the end, Itachi succumbed to an unknown illness, dying in front of Sasuke. After the battle, Sasuke was collected by Obito Uchiha, who went under the guise of “Madara Uchiha” and “Tobi.” Obito revealed the truth of the Uchiha Clan Massacre (that being that it was Konoha who organized the genocide, not Itachi himself), and also his older brother’s deep affection for Sasuke. The experience was so traumatizing that it leads to Sasuke awakening his own Mangekyo Sharingan. After reflecting on past experiences with his brother, he realizes that Obito’s words are the truth, and he establishes his new goal: destroy Konohagakure.
Renaming his team from Hebi to Taka, Sasuke allies with the Akatsuki in order to help achieve his goal. Following Obito’s orders, Sasuke battle Killer Bee, the Eight-Tails Jinchuriki, and supposedly captures the Tailed Beast. Unbeknownst to Sasuke, Killer Bee substituted himself and escaped. After healing from the battle, Sasuke and Taka converge to Konoha, only to be informed that the Akatsuki’s leader, Pain, has already destroyed the village and that Naruto defeated him. Upon learning that Danzo (the man primarily responsible for concocting the Uchiha Clan Massacre) has been named the Sixth Hokage, Sasuke and Taka make their way towards Danzo. Ambushing the Five Kage Summit and battling several of the Kage and their bodyguards, Sasuke is officially announced a terrorist and enemy of the state. Danzo escapes the attack, but Obito later delivers Sasuke to him, where the two battle, resulting in Sasuke’s victory. As he begins to depart, he reunites with Naruto, Sakura, and Kakashi, where he engages them in a short battle before being interrupted by Obito. Before they depart, Naruto promises to fight Sasuke once again to finally end their conflict. Upon returning to Obito’s hideout, Sasuke requests Itachi’s eyes, as his own Mangekyo have started to go blind from overusing them.
Amidst the Fourth Shinobi World War that Obito declared to accomplish his dream of the Infinite Tsukuyomi, Sasuke awakens his Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan. Killing Akatsuki member White Zetsu, Sasuke makes his way towards the battlefield, intent on defeating Naruto once and for all. Along his journey, Sasuke meets the reanimated Itachi Uchiha, who Kabuto Yakushi has revived to become a soldier in Obito’s war (though Itachi managed to escape from his control). The two eventually come upon Kabuto, who Itachi is determined to defeat in order to end the Edo Tensei, the technique responsible for reviving all the dead shinobi. The two brothers work together, and manage to defeat Kabuto. Before departing back to the afterlife, Itachi imparts his final words to Sasuke, revealing the truth of the Uchiha and the fact that he has and will always love his younger brother. Sasuke’s meeting with Itachi leaves him in a confused state, and leaves him questioning his motives about Konoha’s destruction. Realizing that he must talk to someone with more experience, Sasuke revives Orochimaru, who then in turn revives the Four previous Hokage via the Edo Tensei. Sasuke asks the First Hokage, Hashirama Senju (who also happens to be Asura’s previous reincarnate), what are shinobi, and states that his answer will determine Sasuke’s decision about how to proceed. After Hashirama’s tale of Konoha’s founding, Sasuke makes his choice- he decides to join the Allies in fighting against Obito, as he doesn’t want Itachi’s sacrifice to be in vain.
Sasuke and the Four Hokages arrive to the battlefield, where Sasuke is reunited with Team 7 and his other former comrades. Ambiguously declaring that he wants to become Hokage, Sasuke joins his comrades in battling the Ten-Tails. Sasuke later teams up with Naruto as they battle Obito, who has become the Ten-Tails Jinchuriki. After Obito’s defeat, they are left with the task of defeating the revived Madara Uchiha, the former leader of the Uchiha Clan and previous reincarnate of Indra. Over the course of the battle, both Sasuke and Naruto are left on the verge of death. In a near-death state, Sasuke and Naruto meet with Hagoromo Otsutsuki, the Sage of the Six Paths. After a conversation with them, Hagoromo gives the two godly powers, resulting in Sasuke awakening the Rinnegan.
The two confront Madara Uchiha, the new Ten-Tails Jinchuriki. The battle ultimately ends in Madara’s favor, as he manages to activate the Infinite Tsukuyomi. Due to Sasuke’s Rinnegan, he, Team 7, and the redeemed Obito are the only ones who survive the ultimate genjutsu. Madara is betrayed by Black Zetsu, which results in Hagoromo’s mother, Kaguya Otsutsuki and the origin of all chakra, being revived. Sasuke and Team 7 engage in a gruelling battle against the Rabbit Goddess, which grants an extremely difficult challenge and results in Obito’s death. Finally, Sasuke and Naruto manage to defeat Kaguya with the ultimate sealing technique that was granted to them by Hagoromo.
After the battle with Kaguya, Sasuke revealed his true intentions- his plan of executing the five Kage and starting a revolution. He deems this as the necessary method of reforming the shinobi world, stating he will look over it as the leader of the world. With Naruto unable to allow Sasuke to complete his plan, the two returned to the Valley of the End in order to settle all their issues. After an epic battle that lasted nearly an entire day, it ended with the valley being completely destroyed and the two opponents losing their dominant arms. Unable to fight, the two talked to each other about their friendship, which ultimately resulted in Sasuke remembering all of his previous childhood feelings about Naruto. Realizing that he could entrust in Naruto, Sasuke admitted defeat and the two became friends once more.
Following the battle, Sasuke and Naruto ended the Infinite Tsukuyomi, saving everyone who was trapped and becoming the heroes of the world. Sasuke was pardoned of all his crimes, and decided to travel around the world as a wandering vagabond, determined to see the world in a new light. Over ten years later, Sasuke returned to the village and married Sakura Haruno, his former teammate. The two had a daughter, Sarada Uchiha, effectively continuing on the Uchiha legacy. Though it is unclear what exactly Sasuke’s role is with the village, he is on good terms with Konohagakure, the shinobi world, and Naruto- his best friend.
There is the full history of Sasuke Uchiha, condensed into a few long paragraphs. Personally, I feel like that is enough to answer your question of who exactly Sasuke is. Coming this summer, I intend to talk a lot more about why I believe Sasuke is the best character in the series. Besides from many of the ideas present above, I will also cover the following in that discussion:
Examining more of Sasuke’s history, and how it reflected on his character growth.
Examining Sasuke’s personality, behaviors, and interactions.
Examining Sasuke’s relationships with select characters.
Analysing Sasuke’s complex mentality (particuarly the fact that he can be seen as a “flip-flop” character).
All of Sasuke’s different techniques/Sasuke’s fighting style.
Many of Sasuke’s different battles (if you didn’t know before, I think Sasuke has the best fights of the series out of any other characters).
If there’s anything here I listed here that you want to know a little bit more about now, let me know and I’ll be happy to give you a tidbit of what I plan to say.
i just read your massage because i'll go ina vacation with the family in a palce name 'Simla' that why i dont make it. well it's awesome, and i have some quary in it but i like to wait for your main dicussion on sasuke....
Sasuke's character matches Hiei's character from Yu Yu Hakusho series, Kishimoto might have got some inspiration from him and he wanted rivalry just like Goku and Vegeta from DBZ. Sasuke is cool headed unlike Vegeta and that's what unique about him.
You could be doing that if you are looking for something to do. Just one or two episodes a day isn't a big deal man, and I suspect you'll get hooked as soon as you start. There is 153 episodes in Dragon Ball, 276 episodes in Dragon Ball Z, and 64 episodes in Dragon Ball GT. There also is a string of movies that are still coming out, the series has always been popular and is still surging even today, despite the series having ended years ago. It was the inspiration for Yu Yu Hakusho, Naruto, Bleach, and One Piece. Naruto also has elements of Yu Yu Hakusho as well, even some of the characters are named after the characters in Yu Yu Hakusho and Dragon Ball.
Like I said, start off with Dragon Ball, it's the OG series of the three, it's like the original Naruto. Dragon Ball Z is the sequel, the Naruto Shippuden of Dragon Ball.
You will also notice that the ages of Goku and Naruto mirror each other at certain points. Goku starts off as 12 and turns 13, there is a timeskip where he comes back as 16, and then Dragon Ball ends with him at 19. Dragon Ball Z records his life after that, and he starts off at 24.
You mean a website to watch the actual movie on? As far as I'm aware, the full movie hasn't been released anywhere online. The only reason I know so much about the film is because I read the complete plot summary. Here is a link to one of my blogs with the complete plot summary (in case you haven't read the full summary yet).
Why do you think I would know a place to watch the movie?
Yeah, sorry- it hasn't been released yet. Like you, I also really want to see the film! However, it may be a long time before we get to see it. I understand wanting to wait to watch it, but it might be better to just read it ahead of time. I don't like spoiling stuff, but I felt like I had no choice at this point. However, there have been a bunch of video scenes being released. I can't do it now, but if you would like, do you want me to link you to a few videos showing some scenes that were caught on camera in the theaters?
Also, unrelated, but did you get my other message revolving around the Naruto Overview? Do you think you can please try to give some of your thoughts on the overall series? I'll be reviving the blog next week for you to comment on- Omega and Justin will be giving their thoughts soon as well (since everyone has off for the holidays).
Sure link me some of those scenes, I'd appreciate it!
And yeah, I'll be able to comment a little in depth about the overview now, I just got a new laptop on Sunday so now I can actually do things! lol Normally I would comment at work on my computer here but I recently got a promotion so I've been doing a lot more and haven't had enough down time to really get on here and think about what I want to type.
If you're gonna revive it next week, I'll comment then. It'll give me time to think a little more about my answers and I'll be better prepared to give you a good discussion.
If I find anymore, I will post them here for you- for now, what did you think?
Looking forward to talking with you! I won't be home until Monday, and so I won't be on here that much until then. So anytime after Monday would be the best time to leave your thoughts. Funny enough, I'll be getting a new laptop as well; this one has been giving me a lot of problems lately! Looking forward to it- talk to you soon! :D
I liked it. the story was overall solid, the action was great, the animation was out of this world, and the romance didn't bother me. However, Toneri wasn't the greatest villain, there were a lot of characters I wanted to see do more (especially Sasuke, but I understand why he wasn't in it that much), and that damn scarf annoyed the sh!t out of me. Overall, it's one of my favorite Naruto movies- it's kind of a tie between this one and the third Shippūden movie, though I think I prefer this one a little bit more. What did you think?
I'm pretty busy, so I can't have an actual conversation until at least the weekend. If you want to clarify something, you can just write it on here. However, if its something private that you don't want anyone else to see, I can try to make it onto the chat tonight if you'd like. I just need some more to go off. Get back to me and we can set something up- thanks! :D
Hey Uzu- as I just said, let's move our discussion to this wall for the time being until winter break rolls around. I will post your response here. I'm pretty busy today (I actually need to get going once I finish this message), but I'll give another response tomorrow. Until then, have a great day! :D
Your message: Oh Thank you Kirin, I was waiting for reply, It's just that I did not see the reply on overview until now so I was wondering to talk about that in chat. I prefer this place to Narutopedia. I think many of them are not responding is because they all feel that it's still not over, after the movie I hope everyone will feel to discuss about it.
About my favourite villain: My favourite is Orochimaru, I have watched the series after the games, as the series moved forward I had so many favourite not to mention one them was Black Zetsu, Black Zetsu, Kabuto and rest acted like sidekick, some villains were doing it for noble cause like peace. Orochimaru was pure villain keeping his intention to gain something he did not have specific goal or something, still I can't understand what he wanted from Sasuke, his character is not understandable for me he changes direction as we have seen him in final arc he doesn't want his experiments to fail. He has background unlike any other and with that background the least I can expect him to be a villain and he proved to be a worthy villain.
Final Fight: It was expected that Naruto would change Sasuke as Itachi has entrusted him, but Sasuke's questions and his reasons were more bizarre, I thought If I were in that situation I would not have answered his question, perhaps after revealing more about Sasuke's feeling I would, Naruto was not sure and he knew this was not right so he did the right thing. I did not expect that they would fight and lose their arms but we got to see more cool stuffs in fight I can't wait to see that in anime, I'm happy everything was revealed and they became friends at last, dispelled IT together.
Favourite moments: I did not know it was filler, I think it was related to reanimated Chen but anyway I liked that, It was so much related to incidents happening in my real life I don't want to go into details of that, so I like that part, it was different from the rest of the fillers, some fillers are boring non-cannon like chikara arc, I don't know why they created it, I think it was for anniversary but we got to see Hidan and two 2nd version Naruto's form battling each other so not so boring, some fillers are amazing like the mecha Naruto. I'm feeling that a lot of like me are here in this place, I feel sorry so much has happened in your life and you had to go through tough times, I feel many people should contribute here and also on Narutopedia because it would create complex chain of comments in blog than in Narutopedia if every community member comments here. Now It's like I'm the only one here, hope everyone share their thoughts during the break.
I'll see you again on Naruto Answers after february because I have exams coming up, and I have to study for my degree. After february I'll be free again, so we can discuss about it, meanwhile, enjoy your holidays. ^_^
@Uzu- I'm finally getting back to you; sorry for the delay (holidays took up my time)!
First, I'll address your two messages- I have not gotten my copy of Retsu no Sho yet, but when it does arrive, it won't be in english. Also, so are you really going away until February? You don't have a winter break for Christmas and the New Year? If not, that sucks!
Now for the other stuff...
Orochimaru is an excellent villain, and is my second favorite, following Madara. The greatest aspect of his character is how mysterious he was, and the fact that he was not often affiliated with other factions, such as the Akatsuki. It was often Orochimaru, and Orochimaru alone. As to what he wanted from Sasuke, it was his body. However, after his revival, he wanted to see what path Sasuke would take, and he was intrigued at how he would eventually progress. Though I must admit, I am very disappointed at how his character was ultimately left unresolved, and we don't know what happened to him. Its very frustrating that Kishimoto would forget to wrap up a character as important as he is.
Pretty much agree with what you said revolving Naruto vs. Sasuke. However, I'd like to explore it a bit more- did it live up to your expectations, what did you think of the action/emotional moments, what was your favorite moment, etc?
I do have holidays for Christmas and New year but unfortunately I'll be away from Internet till 1st Feb, BTW I'll be here tomorrow and check what's happening here hopefully I'll come back sometimes, anyway now let's move on to our discussion.
About Orochimaru, I think he lost his importance after Akatsuki came into action and after fighting Itachi he survived just ten minutes he was reborn and he got sealed it was the funniest scene, but he is important character as a villain though, It was disappointing that they did not show what happened to him and team Taka after IT, atleast they could have shown him in the Last Movie. I think Kishimoto rushed up a bit. He gave importance to main characters in the end that were set to appear in "The Last". Orochimaru wanted Sasuke's body interesting, he was totally cool with Sasuke like he was afraid of him, he completed his demands to revive the previous Hokage, he changed his villainous attitude it was quick (I thought to myself what a change?) then proceeded to help Tsunade, he revealed what he wanted, he was observing the events whole time because his soul was trapped in someone's body, he stopped Guruguru with his seal and that was quick attack by team Taka if only he could have helped Naruto then I believe the story would be over quickly.
Madara is your favourite villain, awesome! At First when he was talking about Ninshu I thought he was going to erase chakra from existence and Naruto world would become more or less like our world, that was what I was thinking, and same thing about Sasuke I thought he will do this after meeting Naruto in the valley of the end, but there is no end to this war.
And about Naruto vs. Sasuke, I did not expect Sasuke to fight Naruto and after fighting alongside Naruto, I was sure it would not come to this but it turned out quite opposite. At First when he arrived on the battlefield, I did not take it seriously that he was having some plan to become Hokage, I thought he came to help him and he would find answers with Naruto, because Itachi believed Naruto. Although some clues were pointing that Sasuke will fight Naruto in the end but I was not sure, then I wondered if it does happen it would be like another Hashirama vs. Madara, but Naruto proved his point it is over no more Indra and Asura thing, but it was just a start, Sasuke performed Chibaku Tensei and it was more frustrating thing after knowing everything and fighting alongside Naruto sealing the Tailed Beast again I didn't like that, I thought what more could he want, he wanted to take revenge, and his ideas seems logical but it would not work especially it was contradicting what Naruto already had envisioned and Naruto thought that fighting him would put some sense in him , but during those fight they reveal so many things that Naruto does not want to kill him but Sasuke does, I think Sasuke was just holding back and they were talking in the middle of fight just like Hashirama and Madara would always, nevertheless he did get his answers that he was seeking, but after merciless punches and everything I thought he was holding back just trying to get to know what Naruto felt about him and it was not about the questions, I just was waiting when it would be over, and let out what they felt so that outcome would be good and no more fighting but we got to see what they are capable of, that was the part I liked. I did not believe that Sasuke would follow something like what Madara had envisioned. I thought the fight wasn't necessary but in Naruto world or any world it would be necessary because both of them were not agreeing on so many things and after fighting they come to terms and settled the dispute, and after meeting after so many years that hatred and confusion in heart just burst out It revealed everything and that was expected and it was presented in a good way.
Hey Uzu- I've seen your reply. Once again, I apologize for the inconvenience, but I'm a little too busy right now with papers and exams to get into such a long response (no matter how much I want too). I might have a little more free time after Wednesday, so don't hold your breath for a response until after that. Then in about two weeks, when I'm finally off for winter break, I'll be on here a lot more than usual! :D
As far as your questions about The Last, I have a contact, and so I will try to find out that information for you! In the meantime, what do you think about the plot of the movie? You can leave a response on either this message or the blog...
Hey Uzu- I got that info from my source. Gaara meets in the Five Kage Summit to discuss the whole Toneri debacle. He is later seen protecting Suna from the falling meteors, and he later convinces Raikage not to blow up the moon. As far as Temari, Tenten, and Kankuro go- they don't do anything. Just back up characters...
1. I will be able to get back to our discussion probably around Sunday of next weekend; that's when I'm officially done for break.
2. Here is the exact quote from my source about the prologue:
The thing I will say about the prologue is… it’s awesome. It really is fantastically done. Even the people who hated the movie agree that this part was amazing.
-It’s about 1 minute long or so.
-It has a narrator voicing over the images. I can’t remember the specifics of what he was saying, but he is telling the story of the Shinobi world from Kaguya’s time. Think of the kind of narrative along the lines of ‘A long time ago, there lived a woman called Kaguya who ate the forbidden fruit,. She became revered by all people, but then her power started to consume her and people began to fear her…’ etc. Again, this is not actually what is said, but its this kind of narrative. And a slightly Japanese take of greensleaves is playing as BGM.
-Because its a recap of the history of Shinobi from the manga, it doesn’t reveal anything new (at least as far as I remember). Its purpose is to tie the movie in with the rest of the series.
-So the story starts with Kaguya, and she floats for a couple of seconds in the sky before it moves on to Ashura and Indra (cant remember if Hagoromo is there… sorry :( ). From here on, with all of the Ashura and Indra reincarnations, you see a close up of the Uchiha reincarnation’s face (complete with Sharingan) on the left, and the Senju reincarnation’s face on the right, and they are glaring at each other as they are about to fight. So this starts of with Ashura/ Indra, then they have a fight scene for a couple of seconds. Then the same close-up-to-fight scene deal for Madara/Hashirama. Then you see the Kyuubi attack on Konoha from the very beginning of the manga, and Minato fighting him, and Kushina unleashing her chains to seal him. You then see the seal emblem that Naruto has on his stomach, then you see the close up of Naruto and Sasuke, and them about to start their final battle of the manga at the valley of the end.
After this, you see a coloured ink-stlye version of the broken hands that armless Naruto and Sasuke are lying on in chapters 698 and 699, except Naruto and Sasuke aren’t there this time.
…But yeah, the art is beautiful in this prologue. It’s not cartoon animated, but CG animated with ink-style art - think like Sai’s ink art, but the character designs looking normal. In the fights they start off at normal speed, for example Hashirama and Madara charging towards each other, then it goes slow-mo as one ofthem jumps. This slow-mo is especially effective in the bit with the Kyuubi, as the camera quickly pans around it slightly in 3D, then the slow-mo kicks in just as it roars. It really gave me goosebumps lol Sorry, this is really hard to explain…
Thank you Kirin, I'm really glad you provided info on that, 1 minute for intro doesn't sounds that awesome but by description I think it will be. BTW I thought that this movie would be last movie of Naruto series but I came to know that Boruto movie is upcoming movie, I had thought the Last Movie was about last battle and end of Asura and Indra reincarnations', turns out it was about the last survivor of Otsutsuki clan, Toneri. I'll be back, sorry I'm not abandoning or anything but we can discuss next time, my exam preparation will probably take a month or two, until then you leave a message here.
Yes, based on the description, I'm very excited to see the prologue; maybe a bit more than some of the events in the actual movie! xD
Yep, it's not over yet! As I expected, Naruto is not coming to an end for awhile...
I'm finally done next Sunday- I finally get to go home to be with my family for the holidays. That's when I will start getting back to you and everything else I've been neglecting for the past month (both here and on Narutopedia). Do you have any break for the holidays?
I'll have plenty of time with my family- besides here, there are also a lot of personal obligations in my real life I need to deal with over break. But that still doesn't mean I won't be here, discussing with you guys!
All you've missed is a few episode discussions and the Naruto Series Overview. Luckily for you (since I know you don't like long posts), the Naruto Series Overview is pretty barren right now. I could post the entire thing here, but it's pretty long. Do you want me to post it here or do you just want to comment on the discussion? Here is a link to the discussion.
I've got a different idea. Can you let me know what you think of it?
As the overview hasn't been getting a lot of reception, I plan on abandoning it and moving onto something new this weekend. However, I will revive it over winter/Christmas break, as that should provide people with a lot of free time to compile and post their thoughts for such a monstrous task. Therefore, can you please start thinking about your thoughts on the entire series, and then wait to post them until around Christmas time when I revive the overview?
It's good to have you here now, Griff. I was planning on messaging you at some point too, but now you've saved me the trouble...
I understand where you guys are coming from. There is a reason why it took me so long to write the overview- not only was there a lot to write and I didn't have a lot of time, but there were points where I just wasn't interested in writing it either (though probably only because there was so much to do- I was very passionate about it).
However, I rarely ask much of you guys (especially you, Elve), and so all I'm asking is that you guys please just give me your thoughts about the entire series. Like I said, it doesn't have to be as long or as in-depth as mine; I'm not expecting it to be.
Like I said, I am planning on letting the overview die this week, and move on with something else. However, I will revive it in a few weeks during the holidays when people have more free time. In that time, I ask this of you: please just think a little but about what you want to say. You can even work on a section or two every other day/week to breakdown the work load (that's what I did). So when I revive this in a few weeks, I am sincerely asking you guys (almost begging, but not quite there), please just give me at least a small reply about what you think.
Though let me say again, not yet- in a few weeks. I know this is a difficult request, but in the end of the day, I think it will be worth it. Thanks! :D
True, but whatever the case, I still believe it would be easier for you guys to get to this kind of stuff during winter break when you have more free time (assuming you guys have a winter break). Anyways, I am very much looking forward to your thoughts! :D
@Elve and Griff- I'm happy you guys are both a part of one message, so I don't have to go to the trouble of PMing both of you! xD
The time has come for our greatest discussion to begin. The series overview has been revived, and I can't wait to read your thoughts on the Naruto series! Here is the link. Looking forward to getting back in touch with you guys! Take care, and have a great day! :D
Uhm, I really love to read your blog posts because you have this talent of putting most, if not all, my opinions in your blogs. You have a very interesting view, so I was wondering if you'd share what you voted for in the Naruto Community Choice Awards? I'm just assuming you voted...
You don't have to go in-depth or anything. I'm just curious~
Thanks for the compliment! Sure, I'll share what I voted for ;)
1. Best Team- Team Kakashi/7: I have been a huge Team 7 fan for the longest time, and despite the fact that they're probably the most dysfunctional of them all, I can't admit that I haven't loved seeing their story progress. Though Team Asuma was a very close second.
2. Most Emotional Moment- Jiraiya's death: How could it not be?
3. Best Battle- Naruto vs. Sasuke (Pt. I): In my mind, I was pretending it was actually Naruto vs. Sasuke Pt. II, as that is probably my favorite fight in the series. However, their Pt. I battle would probably be my second favorite fight in the series, and so I awarded it that. However, Naruto vs. Pain and Madara vs. Shinobi Alliance were both a tie for my second pick.
4. Favorite Character- Sasuke Uchiha: Was there ever any doubt? Though Itachi and Kakashi tie for my #2 pick.
5. Favorite Element- Lightning Release: It's freaking lightning; how do you not pick it?!
6. Best Antagonist- Madara: A lot of reasons, and I would like to do a future discussion that explains who really is the best antagonist. However, Orochimaru was a very close second.
7. Favorite Summoning- Gamabunta: I like Kurama more, but I didn't think it was really fair to consider him a summoning, even if he has been summoned a few times.
8. Favorite Volume Cover- Volume 70: Absolutely beautiful; best cover in the series. Though, hopefully 72 will be even better!
9. Favorite Friendship- Naruto and Sasuke: Again, I would like to create another discussion around their relationship alone. However, Naruto and Gaara, as well as Kakashi and Guy were tied for my second pick.
10. Favorite Kekkei Genkai- Sharingan: If I had the Sharingan, I would be so happy...
11. Coolest Ninja Tool- Flying Thunder God Kunai: I don't really have an explanation for this one; it was just the best of the six.
12. Favorite Fighting Style- Ninjutsu: I was very close to picking taijutsu, but I suppose literally anyone in the real world can use taijutsu. Therefore, ninjutsu seemed like the special exception.
13. Favorite Jutsu- Kirin: It's a lighting dragon... need I say more?
14. Best Arc- Itachi Pursuit Arc: Literally everything worked in this arc- it was absolutely perfect. However, I was very close to picking the Final Arc, as I now realize just how much I love this arc.
15. Favorite Village- Konoha: I don't think there's much to debate here...
Finally watched the trailer to the movie and I gotta say, I don't get this guys deal.
"Mankind will be punished for using chakra as a weapon."
Umm...dude I see a flaw in your logic there...
Also, is he supposed to be Kaguya's husband/baby daddy? Kaguya's brother/cousin/uncle/dad? Hamura's son? I haven't looked up anything on this except for the trailer just now, so if that's already answered, my bad.. lol
Toneri Otsutsuki is the descendent of Kaguya Otsutsuki from Hamura Otsutsuki. Apparently, after Kaguya was sealed. Hagoromo decided to stay on Earth and teach the humans about ninshu. However, Hamura decided to take the Otsutsuki Clan, that was, Kaguya's family, and go to the Moon, to guard "the remains". In case you also didn't know, Kaguya and the Otsutsuki Clan that served under her, are confirmed to have been from another world, and were attracted to the planet by the Shinju, that was created by the blood of countless wars fought by humans.
Basically, the Otsutsuki Clan has been on the Moon for 1,000 years. Now, Toneri, most likely because of everything that has happened, has decided to crash the Moon onto the Earth by some method. He also has kidnapped Hinata by holding Hanabi hostage, and seems to want to perform some kind of ritual with her. There are some rumors that it involved the two getting married.
Well we have no idea where the Otsutsuki Clan are from, how many there are, or how they arrived. All we know is that they came by some means to Earth and were attracted by the Shinju. Since the Shinju is a mass of nature energy, they can possible sense it naturally.
It was never explained how exactly the Shinju formed, just that it did.
That is most likely the reason, she is the rightful heiress of the Hyuga Clan, even if Hanabi is in line to become it. Hanabi was stolen as the substitute with Hinata being the intended target. Since both Hanabi and Hinata have the Byakugan, that is most likely the linking factor.
Toneri does not have the Byakugan. In fact, Kaguya and Hamura were the only one's seen with it. It's possible, like with Hinata's children, the Byakugan disappeared out of the bloodline, and now Toneri is attempting to add it back again by possibly marrying Hinata and making Otsutsuki Byakugan through her children.
It's not the fact they are using chakra, it's the fact they are not using it peacefully. In effect, Toneri is using their own weapon against them. Whether it's a conflict of principle from him to do so is irrelevant.
Well, the probably did, but it's unknown what they have been doing there or how many of them are left. It's possible, because the Gedo Statue was deep underneth the Moon, that they didn't sense it, and it was only the Shinju's revival that triggered them.
Everything in the "Chikara" filler arc is not canon, so that will never be addressed.
Kirin, I have been a fan of Naruto for years. But only in the last few years have I known about the wiki, and then in the last few months become involved on the boards here. Thank you for your discussions. They have elevated my enjoyment of Naruto to a level I did not expect. For the last several months I have not only looked forward to each chapter, but also to discussing them with you and others. Your services have been appreciated!
Dragon, it is I who must thank you. Without all of the people here on Naruto Answers who have had such a major role in these discussions, there would be no reason to do these chapter blogs every week. Like you, I only found out about this website only about a little over a year ago, and I've only been doing these discussions for the year of 2014- frankly, I wish I had done them sooner. But back to the topic- I think I will miss interacting with all of you more than I will the actual series itself... I've got a few ideas going around in my head as to maybe how to continue these type of discussions even after the series has ended. Perhaps something like a weekly blog that focuses on something completely random in the Naruto series- not just a chapter discussion. I don't know- I'll run it by the community in the final discussion. But anyways, like I said, it is I who am extremely grateful to you and every other member who have contributed over this last year. Without all of you, this would have been all for nothing.
In recognition of your contributions so far I have appointed you as the Wikia's "Wiki Cleaner". The function is explained in the name. you keep the wikia clean. Your main focus will be nonsense questions, duplicates and HK, housecleaning, such as unnecessary redirects, I've seen you identify certain questions as such and tagged them for deletion so you should be fine there. Along with this feature, there are several hot link icons that should appear over every article, these can be used for quick deletion.
Please do not use the feature to delete questions you deem someone should know from following the series, no matter how foolish the question seems. We act on good faith that these questions are being asked honestly.
If you have any questions or concerns you can reach out to one of the Sysops or UltimateSupreme our Bureaucrat.
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Thank you so much for deeming me capable for this role! I cannot express my gratitude enough for this opportunity. To know that I can now be of more service to this wiki makes me the happiest person in the world. Please be patient with me as I adjust, and I will be sure to come to any of you if I have any questions. Once more, thank you for this amazing opportunity, and for considering me while choosing your next Wiki Cleaner.