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Omega64

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  • I see commenting on my question is locked. Are we not supposed to comment when we disagree with an answer? (I'm actually wondering if I should have just posted that question as a forum topic instead.)

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    • No, it's not that. I locked the comments, mostly because our conversation isn't being constructive anymore, its just the two of us arguing relevancy, which is just subjective.

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  • Why does Sasuke quit in the final battle against naruto (Chapter 698 - 699)

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  • Hi. Omega

    I'm new in this wikia though i spend a lot of time in it.

    so, i think kirin role in this wikia is more then a cleaner, i want see him as a SYSOP.

    Becuase him blog's are awesome,  Maybe i said more but i really apriciate his role in this wikia

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    • As much as I appreciate your opinion, I really don't have any control over who is a Systems Operator or not. Only our Bureaucrat has that level of authority.

      You see, originally this site had three Sysops and a Wiki Cleaner, then I joined the site. I became a Wiki Cleaner and then was promoted to Sysop. I promoted Kirin to Wiki Cleaner, but then our Bureaucrat decided that we should eliminate the Cleaner Group, so know only our four Sysops remain.

      If there was more traffic on the site, I might be more pushy about making him a Sysop, but the numbers just aren't there. I had to severely out perform my fellow editors to have myself promoted, because our Bureaucrat even doubted the need for four Sysops, let alone five.

      So, all in all, if one of our Sysops resigned, I would push for Kirin, but that is most likely not going to happen, because only one of us is really in a position to even maybe consider resigning due to lack of activity.

      Also, there is a lot of background stuff that needs to happen to keep this site rolling, stuff Kirin isn't very experienced with. Its not like he couldn't learn, its just I don't really think its what he really wanted to do here.

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    • I really appreciate your support Clash.Bikash, and I'm honored that you think me capable enough of becoming a Sysop.

      However, what Omega said was pretty spot on. There's no real need for anymore Sysops at the moment, and so it wouldn't really make a big difference. Nowadays, there aren't many new questions being asked and so there's not as much to maintain as in the past. There are rarely daily visitors the the wiki at this point- the only ones I can think of are myself, Omega, Jacce, and Justin. It's my hope that maybe the community may be revived once the miniseries starts in April. 

      As Omega said, I'm not really too adapt with the technology associated with this promotion anyways. For the brief time I was a Wiki Cleaner, I tried to use those programs to help improve the wiki, and I couldn't even figure that out. I swear I was meant to live in the 80s. 

      If there was ever a need for a new Sysop and I was called upon, I would be happy to accept it and learn how to use the software. But as of this moment, things are pretty good as they are right now.

      But once again, thanks for all of your support and hopefully you'll stick around for awhile! :D

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  • My good friend Shakhmoot over at Narutopedia found out when the miniseries is starting. Here is the post verbatim-

    From 2ch manga forums, it's been stated that in the next Weekly Shonen Jump issue (#18) which will be released unofficially this Thursday that it has a preview for issue #22-23 which will be released in the Golden Week (Last week of April) that Naruto Gaiden (ナルト外伝) series will have a lead colour and cover in that issue. More information will be available in this week. Source

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    • Two things I hope to accomplish with this message- 

      1. Have you seen this? What do you think about this?

      2. This one is more of a "check-up"/request. Since we now have a date for the miniseries, I am optimistic that the community will be temporarily revived at this time. Not only am I referring to old users returning (after all, I'm also planning on reviving the weekly discussions), but I also think a lot more questions will start being asked once more. With that said, we're not going to have as much time for other things. With that said, now I really want to get back to our discussion- do you have an estimate for when you'll be able to get back to it? Would this weekend work (that's the best case scenario for my schedule)?

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    • i'm too exicted about miniserise thanks for MSG.

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  • Hi.. Omega64 i really like your's, karin, mecha and jacce

    Naruto
    most of the answer in this wiki.....

    Keep going

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  • I checked the last message, and it's been over a month since we last talked in-depth; now I'm definitely eager to get started again!

    This is a continuation of this thread, as well as this blog (I'll be sure to point out which parts come from which in case you want to check the original source, as I'll mostly just be summarizing everything).

    Due to time constraints on your part, as well as because the previous thread was getting pretty long, this is the third thread dedicated to our discussion about the series. With that said, I'll basically be taking most of the topics/questions I think can lead to an interesting discussion from the two sources, and posting them here for you to see all in one place. With that said, here you go-

    Foreword- for some of these, it might be better to go to the original post to understand exactly what I'm talking about. For each one I think you may need some background knowledge, I'll mention it.

    I. Questions/Topics From Discussion #2:

    • How do you feel about Naruto not having too many unique/dynamic techniques besides clones, Rasengans/Rasenshurikens, and Tailed Beast skills (I mentioned this when I was talking about how it was difficult to come up with ideas for what Naruto could do in filler scenes for the final battle)?
    • During the other discussion, you said somewhere that Naruto was at 11% when he fought Sasuke- where did you get such a low number from? Also, what percentage do you think Sasuke was at that time (I have my own ideas for both of them)?
    • How different do you think the fight would have turned out if Naruto and Sasuke were at full strength/completely mastered their new abilities (again, I have my own ideas that I'll write in the response)?
    • As Sasuke said they would have their "real fight" another time at the end of 699, do you think we may see a little skirmish in the miniseries? I can even imagine that the last time we see their characters is when they're about to have rivalry match like Kakashi and Guy, and it cuts away before we see the fight. I think that would be the perfect way to see them one last time in the miniseries...
    • With a 10-15 year time gap, about how much powerful do you think Naruto and Sasuke have become by the miniseries? Also, do you have any interesting ideas about any collaboration attacks they may be able to pull off together?
    • Speaking of collaboration attacks, what did you think of their teamwork dynamic during the Kaguya battle (I have my own thoughts for later)? Also, anything else about the Kaguya fight you liked (besides what you mentioned on the other thread, which wasn't much)? Also, everything after the sealing (690-700)- yay or nay?
    • I went into a long spiel about Sasuke's Rinnegan, but I don't feel the need to rewrite it all again. However, what I will ask you about is your impression of Sasuke's Rinnegan- along with your thoughts, how do you think it compares to the normal two-eye Rinnegan?
    • Referring to your list of strongest characters- what made you put Rinnegan Sasuke above Rikudo Madara (as that one surprised me pretty much)? Also, do you think it's possible Rikudo Madara was more powerful than Hagoromo (I believe he was, which I will explain)?
    • Anything you are expecting/absolutely want to see from the miniseries?
    • This is going back from a while ago, but I noticed it while reading through all of those responses. I asked you which fight you like more- Naruto vs. Sasuke Part I or II- and why; however, nothing really came from it, and so I'm just bringing it up here again. Which one do you like more, and why?

    II. Questions/Topics From Otsutsuki Blog:

    1. Original Discussion Portion-

    • Do you think the next transmigrants are determined from the minute they are born, or do you think they become the reincarnates later based on their choices in life?
    • What is the most disappointing element of Kaguya's character for you?
    • Why do you think Kaguya acted almost like she was mentally challenged (as she couldn't think for herself and needed Black Zetsu's help for everything), and why do you think Kishimoto decided to portray her like this?
    • Before I move on, I wrote a really good response to something we were talking about in the comments, and we just never got back to it. It's really long, but I think I have a lot of things that can present an interesting discussion. So with that, I'm just going to post it all (I apologize for the length)-

    I had a strong distaste of having Naruto actually being Hagoromo's reincarnate, as I think it would have put his character on such a pedestal that it would make his character a lot worse than what people were already criticizing him for (and keep in mind, I actually like the character of Naruto- had Naruto actually been Hagoromo's reincarnation, I think my enjoyment of Naruto's character might have dwindled severely). Naruto being Asura's reincarnate would have led to a complete barrier between the reader and the character of Naruto. One of the most engaging parts about the series is that he was often stated that Naruto was a very relateable character that the readers could relate to. By making Naruto the reincarnation of someone who is often regarded as the god of the Narutoverse (though now we know that's actually more Kaguya as opposed to Hagoromo), it would create a complete isolated feeling as no reader can relate to a god. However, by making Naruto the reincarnate of Asura, that's no longer the case, as Asura is not a god and neither is Indra (while they both may be powerful as holy hell, they're still no where near Hagoromo's level). I think there is often a lot of confusion about what exactly this reincarnation cycle means. Naruto and Sasuke did not gain the powers of Asura and Indra, but it's more like their life stories are fated to follow a similar story that both Asura and Indra lived their lives (though we obviously know that's not the case, as they managed to break the cycle after their final battle). You see, by saying that, it means that Naruto still had to live the same life and endure the same hardships he faced because Asura was tasked with the exact same challenges. It's almost like a mirror image- whatever path Asura led, Naruto was destined to do the same thing (though I use the word "destined" very loosely, as I still feel like Naruto, as well as Sasuke, had complete control over his life- though I've already explained this before). That's why I often don't understand why people saying Naruto being the reincarnate of Asura makes him unrelatable- how? Asura was not a god, and even if he was, Naruto did not inherit Asura's power, but more of his life path. But back to the original topic, I could not say the same thing for if Naruto was Hagoromo's reincarnate, as the situation would be entirely different. As a summary, here is the major point- Naruto being Asura's reincarnate humanizes Naruto's character more, while it would have been the complete opposite if he was Hagoromo's reincarnation.

    The final battle with Sasuke was also another reason why I like this change so much more. As you said, if Naruto was Hagoromo's reincarnate and Sasuke was just a normal shinobi, then there would be no reason to have a battle. By making both Naruto and Sasuke the reincarnates of Hagoromo's children (which again, humanizes both characters more because they aren't reincarnations of a god) and adding the added back story of a feud between brothers, it makes the prospects of the final fight way more interesting than if Naruto was the next Sage of Six Paths and completely fodderized Sasuke the entire battle. Though it was already obvious that Naruto would win their final fight since he's the main character, there was still a lot more tension and suspense during the battle (though I'm still arguing that Naruto "won the war, not the fight" because of how he ended up, but I brought that up on the other discussion and I'll respond to and debate that further there when I have the time).

    Finally, we come to Naruto and Sasuke's powers at the latter half of the series. First and foremost, I wholeheartedly agree that the manner in which they obtained/used their powers can come off as BS simply because of their status. However, it was always going to be like this and I don't know how it could have been changed. The only possibilities I can think of is if Naruto was using Tailed Beast Mode at the beginning of the War as opposed to the end and then having Six Paths Sage Mode being added on top of it, and also by having Sasuke somehow obtain the Rinnegan prior to meeting Hagoromo so he could learn to use it more proficiently than he did at during the last three battles of the series. But moving on, I also believe that Naruto and Sasuke have worked so hard to become as powerful as they were by the time they met Hagoromo that I believe they earned those power ups (and yes, Sasuke did work hard for his powers- many disagree, but if you'd like, I can explain my argument in full detail with another comment). I believe in the rewards system, and since Naruto and Sasuke worked so hard (probably harder than a lot of others, though I do respect characters like Sakura for becoming so powerful on their own without any help) that they earned the power ups from Hagoromo. And last but not least, I wanted to see them this powerful- I wanted to see Naruto using advanced senjutsu/all the powers of the Tailed Beasts and I wanted to see Sasuke having the Rinnegan/Perfect Susanoo. The methods for obtaining this might have been contrived, but in the end, I don't really care too much because I'm happy with the results.

    2. Team 7 vs. Madara Portion-

    • You mentioned Madara getting the Byakugan; frankly, I'm not a fan of that. Can you explain why you would want that/how that would work in the story?
    • I love the idea of Madara using some sort of enhanced Perfect Susanoo- do you have any idea of what it might look like (I don't- I'm not creative enough)?
    • What did you think about my sealing idea? What do you think about a large Kaguya towering over Madara and showing just how powerful she actually was? If something like this happened instead of Kaguya actually being revived, would that make her a better character for you? And while we're on the matter, what do you actually think about the Six Paths Chibaku Tensei itself (I actually think the technique is really badass)?
    • What do you make of Black Zetsu? When I say this, I basically mean anything regarding his character- specifically, what do you think were the exact circumstances of when he was created, when/how was he created, and how did he slip past Hagoromo and Hamura? Also, how much of Kaguya's will do you think was implemented into Black Zetsu (do you think it explains why she comes off as so stupid)?

    3. Alternate Fight/Ending Portion- Again, I didn't want to make this thread too long, so I'm just going to leave a link. Please read this message and let me know your thoughts on it. I'd like to get your opinion on some of my ideas. Specifically, please let me know what you think may be adapted into the anime when you read how I envisioned Naruto vs. Sasuke going down (you'll see that I put in brackets what I think could and could not be added- just want to know how you feel about it). Finally, I'd like to know some of your own thoughts about how you'd write the final fight and ending- you don't have to go as in depth as I did, but it would be cool to get some of your

    III. New Questions/Topics For Discussion:

    • It's kind of piggybacking off the overview, but I'd just like to expand on this a bit more- who are some of your other favorite characters and what are some other favorite arcs, fights, techniques, etc?
    • Of all the deaths in the series, which was your favorite and why?
    • Not really pertaining to the series, but more you/Naruto Answers specifically- how much longer do you think this place will still be relevant? How much longer until the questions stop coming in (after all, they're already starting to dwindle)? And how much longer do you intend to stick around; is there a day where you think you will be done here and just not visit anymore?
    • Is there anything you want to talk about?

    IV. Continuation of "Naruto vs. Sasuke in the Anime" Thread

    As you said you prefer everything in one place, I have taken everything I wrote in the "Naruto vs. Sasuke in the Anime" thread and put it here instead. If you ever need to go back to reference that thread, here is a link.

    Length/Filler: 

    It's funny, when I first asked him the question, all he wrote was "48%", and I found some sort of humor in that since it was just so blunt. But why do you think it's surprising that 48% of the content would be filler? Honestly, I think this is a pretty good estimate, as there is a lot to expand upon in this battle in the anime. Although, why do you think it would be difficult to limit it to only five episodes, when keeping in mind that he would actually go with two or three episodes first and foremost (and while on the topic, what do you think about that kind of an estimate?)? Finally, of the two options, which one would you prefer (essentially, given the new information, what is the perfect length for you)? The chances of them sticking to one animator for the entire battle is very slim- that happens very little in the anime. However, what is a possibility (as mentioned) is that because this fight is such a large deal, they may get a slew of their best people dedicated solely for this battle. And as mentioned above, the best ones are the six he believes will be assigned to the project. Well, when it comes to that I'm thinking we may get some type of filler scenes at the beginning in #695, in which case Sasuke would be keeping up the pressure and Naruto wouldn't enter Six Paths Sage Mode until later. Though that's just a guess, and we can go more into detail about that on the other discussion where I was talking about this type of thing specifically. What do you think about the chances of Naruto and Sasuke using some abilities they weren't shown using in the anime (such as the powers of the Tailed Beasts and the Rinnegan's abilities)?

    Animators:

    True, but again I point out to the fact that the six listed below cannot work on every single episode for the battle. With that said, there will absolutely be a difference in quality- even more so if a lot of filler is added and it extends the fight even longer. I believe I'm in the minority who would prefer better quality for the actual fight (which in this case means adding filler) over better quality animation. It's kind of an obscure comparison, but it's a funny one my friend once used, and so I'd like to borrow it- it's like George Lucas' special edition releases of the original Star Wars movies. While the quality may have been increased due to better technology to enhance the picture, the quality of the overall films diminished because he added so much BS that compromised the experience. It's the same thing here- I prefer the fight itself being improved more than just looking better. Do you see where I'm coming from? But anyways, back to the topic- if you know anything about the animators I listed, what do you think of them? Any you're really happy/angry to see?

    Other Info: 

    Furthermore, he went on to elaborate that if those extended sequences were to occur, they would most likely happen before they entered their powerful forms in #695. I'd imagine it would play out with them engaging in a little taijutsu, some elaborate ninjutsu, and then finally breaching into the filler material with the more eccentric ideas. To be honest, I wouldn't be too surprised if we didn't see them using these kind of abilties, as it would be almost a completely different experience than what we got in the manga. However, once again, that doesn't mean I would be opposed to seeing it- even if would seem kind of out of left field. Though to be honest, almost everything has come out of no where in the last 100 chapters of the manga (need I remind you of Kakashi's Perfect Susanoo?). Compared to that, this wouldn't be such a surprise. And as far as Kishimoto goes, he later went onto clarify that when it comes to the bigger decisions, Studio Pierrot typically consult him in their bigger decisions. Do you think this is something he may agree to change? With that said, I've made a mid-post decision to just take everything from the third discussion revolving around this fight in the anime and post it here, as this is kind of topic-centric (as you'll see, I've removed this content from that discussion). Here's the rest (and a few other parts I thought of):

    • What do you think of this video? Do you think we'll get something similar to this in the anime?
    • Even if the quality may be distracting, which would you prefer- a short fight with consistent animation or an extended battle with good animation for the canon and decent/lackluster animation for the filler scenes, thus making it inconsistent?
    • What do you think is the line that the anime wouldn't cross when adding filler content (for instance, is it too much of a stretch to see something like Naruto using all of the Tailed Beasts powers or Sasuke using Kirin/Shinra Tensei)?
    • What did you want to see from the fight in the manga that you didn't see (though keep in mind that we are talking about something realistic that the anime could add it- nothing too spontaneous, like Sasuke using Lightning Armor that you talked about in the past)? As far as what I want to see the most, there happens to be...
    • ...two that comes to mind- the first is a sequence that is a very choreographed taijutsu confrontation between Naruto and Sasuke (unlike 697, which was completely raw and brutal; think of this as almost like Kakashi vs. Obito in the anime), and the second being 100's of Naruto clones engaging Sasuke while the latter uses interesting methods/techniques to dispatch the clones. What do you think of these ideas? Do you want to see these events happen? Finally, when do you think they might add this kind of filler content in relation to the manga chapters (once again, I'd go with the beginning of #695 or during #697)?


    As far as your question goes, I actually asked that before. First of all, do you know why the anime is doing this horrible Chunin Exams filler right now, even though the manga has already ended? The reason for this is because all of their best animators (such as the six listed above and more than that) are currently working on the Boruto movie. Therefore, they are doing this filler arc now so they can put their best men on the conclusion of the series when they are not busy with the movie. In the long run, this is probably the best option- you don't want to see Naruto, Sasuke & Guy vs. Madara, Team 7 vs. Kaguya, Naruto vs. Sasuke, and the conclusion of the series handled with sh*tty animation, do you? It sucks right now, but we just need to suck it up. He also said he expects this process to continue until summer, meaning that we won't get back to the canon until summer as well. The filler will probably end some time in June or July.

    Regarding the anime ending as a whole, I also asked him about that. If they get back to the canon this summer and added no more filler (meaning arcs- not filler battle scenes), the anime could very well end by the end of 2015. However, it is likely that they may pull an "end of Part I", and create filler between the time gap of 699 and 700. Furthermore, he does believe that they will animate the Boruto miniseries (it's not yet clear if it would still be Naruto Shippuden or a new series entirely), but it's also possible the anime could continue to extend the story even after the miniseries could end. So essentially, there is no clear answer as to when the anime will end. Given how it does make them a lot of money, I don't see it ending anytime soon.

    EDIT: I have something more to add to what I said previously. The same source has offered to pass on some suggestions to Date. That's where you come in. What do you want to see from the anime's adaptation of the final battle? Here are a few criteria to keep in consideration-

    • We are mostly talking about filler they can add to extend the battle, as well as make the quality better overall- what kind of filler material do you want to see them add into the fight?
    • Along with that, please specifically point out where you would want to see a scene (for example, an extra taijutsu sequence at the very beginning of #695 before Sasuke shoots the fireball). This will make it much easier for them to understand what you are referring to and when you want to see it.
    • Please keep it somewhat realistic. For instance, don't ask that Sasuke use Izanagi simply because he has the Sharingan. This is more meant for adding material based on the abilities they already have.

    By doing this, you may be able to play a role in how the anime adapts this battle. This is kind of similar to what I asked you above, but even more important. If there is anything you wanted to see and did not (as long as it's not too over the top), now is the time to list it. Please let me know what your ideas are!




    So there it is. It's a lot to take in, but there's a lot of interesting things to talk about- looking forward to it!!!

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    • Sweet- I'll respond to both of these over the weekend.

      Since I haven't read these yet, I'm just gonna go ahead and mention it- what are some of your predictions for Orochimaru, Kabuto, and Taka's whereabouts in the miniseries? Do you have any other predictions besides the ones you already mentioned?

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    • Okay, here's my response. Sorry for the delay if you were waiting (probably not- you're much more patient than I am). I was actually really busy this weekend (Game of Thrones' return didn't help). Looking forward to the future- here we go!

      III. New Questions/Topics:

      I think we mentioned this a bit before, but I have to say I completely agree. Though I'd say Part II got really good around the Hidan and Kakuzu Arc- I absolutely love that arc; especially how much Shikamaru developed as a character. And don't even get me started on the final battle of the arc (episode #85 is one of the best of the series). What is it about Part II that supersedes over the rest of the series? If you recall, most people even say logic left the Naruto series after the Pain Arc. Regarding other favorite characters, fights, etc, we can bring that up again later when we run out of stuff to talk about.

      I was considering making an entire blog discussion about the War as a whole, but given how the community is gone, I don't see the point in it anymore. However, that is something that can start up a very good conversation- what are your overall thoughts on the War as a whole? As I'm sure you know, it's not very popular among the Naruto fan base, as most believe the fights sucked and there wasn't a lot of payoff. While I do think it could have been improved in some areas (especially more reunions between certain characters and maybe a couple more deaths to make it feel much more dire), I thought it was a very good story arc. I'd say it only got really good from the moment Naruto entered the War and onward. Some of my favorite moments include Naruto & Bee vs. Itachi/Nagato, Madara's first revival, Naruto going Tailed Beast Mode for the first time, Sasuke and Itachi's reunion/goodbye, Obito's reveal, Neji's death, Team 7's reunion, and Kaguya's sealing. However, my favorite portion of the War would have to be from chapters #656-#678, which consisted of Madara's revival/becoming the Ten-Tails, Naruto and Sasuke's near death experience, Eight Gates Guy, Hagoromo's revelation, Madara activating the Infinite Tsukuyomi, and so much more. That's when the War was at it's peak.

      Yeah, Jiraiya's was pretty much expected. His was easily the best death. Asuma's is also a great pick; some of my other favorites include Itachi's death, Deidara's death, Kisame's death, and Neji's death.

      Very true. That's how I've always felt, but even then things are just so different. I find myself slowly losing interest, as most questions are usually answered by the time I'm here and those that aren't usually don't pose much to ponder about. Besides answering a question every now and then, the only thing that really keeps me coming back is our discussions, as they're pretty fun to have. That, and the upcoming Boruto miniseries/movie.

      I think I brought that up before- talking about how they could develop more in the future. If I didn't, then we could bring it up here. As well as anything you personally want to talk about.


      IV. Continuation of Naruto vs. Sasuke:

      That's pretty much what he was referring to when he said "48%." Though the common belief is that it will mostly include extra battle scenes, as there isn't too much they can elaborate on as far as the dialogue goes (unless the anime team wants to add their own dialogue of Naruto talking about his own goals, which I wouldn't be opposed to). The point is that because there are so many places to add filler, it's not impossible that they wouldn't actually extend it to the length suggested. Regarding their abilities, it all depends on who they would get to animate these scenes. If they got someone like Wakabayashi (who not only allowed Naruto to create a tornado in episode #167, but it was also the first time we saw the Continuous Tailed Beast Balls- long before the manga), then it may definitely be possible. If they were capable of doing something of the sort, I wouldn't complain. Would you like them to take those kind of liberties?

      Who doesn't like Star Wars? The original trilogy was a masterpiece, while the prequels not so much. While Episode III is obviously the best of the three, I actually do kind of like Episode I to an extent. Most people usually consider it the last one, but I disagree- Episode II was complete sh!t. I've only played portions of the Old Republic, but from what I have played, it looks like an awesome game. One of these days I'd like to play through it all together; maybe to prepare for Episode VII. But yeah, you have no idea how excited I am for the next film. So I guess on this aspect, we’re all good unless there’s something you’d like to elaborate on. Unless you wanna talk about Star Wars or something else not Naruto related, in which case, cool!

      That’s exactly my point. I could see them doing all of the smaller stuff, and then as soon as Naruto goes Six Paths Sage Mode, then we might get a little more filler before they enter their chakra titans. If anything, this would be when Naruto use the Tailed Beast powers, and Sasuke would use the Rinnegan. And yes, I also like that SP actually consults with Kishimoto. I’ll try and ask what exactly they might do with Kishimoto’s consent, but as of this moment, I don’t know anything specifically about what he’s given permission to in the past. But with that said, do you think a lot of the filler ideas presented may have a chance of coming true if they go through Kishimoto himself?

      To be honest, I’m not entirely sure I agree with that statement. The only thing I can agree with is the sense that the reason why it may have been a disappointment is because they weren’t at full strength, which ultimately made it shorter than it was to be expected. However, the circumstances revolving around the fight are exactly how I wanted it to go down. I wanted this to be about Naruto bringing Sasuke back from the darkness, which is ultimately what happened. If they were just having a friendly rematch for Hokage or something like that (which is what I insinuated was the fight Naruto really wanted when he said “this isn’t the fight I want to have” in #696), I don’t think it would have worked as well. Granted, if they wanted to do some kind of rematch now in the miniseries/movie, then that’s fine and I’d even like to see a little glimpse of that. However, that would not have been the real “Naruto vs. Sasuke” we’ve all been waiting for. What we got is much more my cup of tea. But anyways, where were you hoping this would pop up, and why don’t you think it will? Well, even if they don’t do the Tailed Beast and Rinnegan element (which after searching through all the different forums to find more suggestions to add to the list, you would be surprised at how many people want to see this- it’s like the #2 request after more taijutsu), they still have many other techniques in their arsenal that would add a lot more diversity to the fight at the very beginning. Naruto still has his Six Paths Sage Mode abilities, clones, and all the Rasengan/Rasenshuriken variants, while Sasuke still has all his Fire/Lightning Release techniques, Amenotejikara, and EMS powers (all Susanoo forms, genjutsu, Amaterasu/Blaze Release, genjutsu, etc). With that, there would still be plenty more smaller techniques to add to the mix in addition to the taijutsu in the beginning.

      Well, first of all let me say that when we do give them the list, don’t expect to get any concrete answers from them. For obvious reasons, they can’t tell anyone what they’re planning on doing for the sake of spoiling their plans or in case the budget doesn’t allow for them to do what they want (they don’t want to make any false promises). Likewise, as I said before, I don’t know any specific examples where the anime took Kishimoto’s advice as I’m just taking the words from my source. If he were anyone else than who he is, I wouldn’t believe him but we’ve just talked enough to the point where I have complete faith in what he’s talking about. But what I will absolutely do is mention what you said, and advise them to correspond a bit to Kishimoto. Again, if they do we probably won’t know about it, but it is a really good idea that they may follow through with. That said, if you really want a chance of seeing the content you mentioned, you mind as well just post it while you can (BTW, after talking to my guy, we’re submitting it sometime in May, as that’s when they may start to focus a bit on the actual fight- they’re completely tied down with the movie right now).

      All of your suggestions are exactly what I was imagining would happen, right down to the fact that it would happen all around the beginning of #695 when Sasuke went Perfect Susanoo. It actually amazes me how many people want the exact same thing (after looking through around 175 different requests from multiple forums, the majority of people say something similar to this). BTW, I remember you saying in the past that you wanted to see content from #696 (Tailed Beast Mode vs. Perfect Susanoo) being extended. If you have anything about that, would you mind elaborating on what you want to see from that aspect?

      Before I move on, I just want to bring up a few more things that I wanted to see. Basically, what are some of your reactions/thoughts on some of these parts in the anime edition of the battle, and how you would like to see these go down:

      • Two specific taijutsu sequences- the first at the beginning of #695 which is extremely choreographed and fast paced (like Kakashi vs. Obito); the second is of course the taijutsu sequence from #697 (it probably won’t happen, but I’d love to just see an episode dedicated to this one chapter).
      • The idea of dozens/hundreds of Naruto clones taking on Sasuke, while the latter uses different methods to neutralize the threat.
      • The explosive battle from the latter half of #695 and #696.


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      I. Discussion #2:

      Oh, no doubt about it. That’s what has always fascinated me about Naruto- coming from an overall knowledge standpoint (like basic arithmetic), Naruto can be somewhat considered a bit of an idiot in that sense. But when it comes to battles, Naruto has always been surprisingly very cunning. I think it mostly comes from the fact that his demeanor obviously portrays him as not very intelligent, which makes most adversaries underestimate him. That said, I believe that, combined with the fact that Naruto is just an overall powerhouse with his large supply of chakra, is what wins him most of his battles. When it comes to his overall techniques, the fact is that any capable adversary would be able to come up with a strategy to combat Naruto’s three prime techniques. The only way that wouldn’t work is if it’s something like a Tailed Beast Ball which is nearly impossible to stop. And it’s unfortunate, but I do agree with you on the Shikamaru aspect. It’s honestly kind of depressing, as I’ve always appreciated raw intelligence over raw power, which is pretty much what characters like Naruto and Sasuke have developed into.

      Yeah, I have absolutely no issues with that statement at all. In fact, that’s exactly my belief. The fact is that the entire Tailed Beast issue is very fuzzy, and it wasn’t explained as well as it should have been. There are two options of what might have happened- the first is that they used up all their chakra in Naruto’s last attack against Kaguya, or they were present but just supplying Naruto with their overall power instead of making it so that he can use their specific abilities/chakra elements for his techniques (which I never believed would cause much of a difference anyways). Either one is likely, we just don’t know which.

      Alright, let me see what I can do. I’ll try to go in-depth and specifically explain how a more advanced Rinnegan could put Sasuke on a whole new level. Keep in mind that this is also assuming that Naruto has his full power as well, in which case I do believe the battle would end with Sasuke’s back on the ground and Naruto still standing. But still, Sasuke’s proficiency of the Rinnegan would put him nearly on par with Naruto. Also, keep in mind that this is essentially off the cuff- I’m going off of straight memory, and so there may be some things here or there that I may forget. There also may be a few things I don’t explain in it’s entirety, but that would probably be more so because I believe you can fill in the gaps yourself with what I’ve provided- you’ve already proven how intelligent you are when it comes to this subject material.

      First of all, let’s remember what was stated back in #675. Obito told Sakura that if Madara gained both of his Rinnegan, he would become “truly terrifying.” From this, we can get the impression that Madara would be on a whole nother level- completely different than anything that would be shown in the series. In fact, it was clearly obvious that Madara was the most proficient Rinnegan user- even more so than Nagato, even though they both had two Rinnegan. The reason why Madara was so much better was because the Rinnegan were originally his own eyes, where as they were simply transplanted into Nagato. In a sense, this was some what shown in #676, but we obviously never got to see the full extent of Madara’s power. And as we both could tell, there was a lot more that Madara had in store that he never had the chance to use.

      The reason I brought this up is because we both acknowledged that even though it is only one eye, Sasuke’s Rinnegan is most likely superior to the standard two-eyed Rinnegan. This therefore means that Sasuke’s proficiency and overall strength when pertaining to the Rinnegan would even surpass Madara’s after getting both eyes (now again, it’s highly debatable if Sasuke could beat Madara after awakening the Rinne Sharingan- I personally don’t think so).

      I’d like to specifically talk about the attributes of Sasuke’s special Rinnegan itself. First and foremost, it has shown the ability to cast an amazingly impressive genjutsu which is probably one of the more powerful genjutsu we have seen in the series behind the Infinite Tsukuyomi (which I personally perceive as the greatest genjutsu of all time) and the original Tsukuyomi. Not only was he able to easily capture all nine of the Tailed Beasts with a single glance, but I also noticed an interesting theory that Sasuke was responsible for the flashback in the middle of #697, as it was possible it was Sakura who was dreaming about them as children due to Sasuke’s genjutsu. If anything, it makes me wonder if it’s almost like a light version of the Infinite Tsukuyomi, despite the fact that there are clearly several smaller differences. But anyways, back to his genjutsu skills, he was also able to easily knock at Sakura, who was said to be very adept in genjutsu herself. This makes me wonder just how far Sasuke’s Rinnegan genjutsu skills could adapt further on after training with it for a longer period of time. In fact, I believe it would even be possible to temporarily disrupt not only Naruto’s own chakra, but also the Tailed Beast chakra that lies within Naruto. Essentially, if this were possible, that would allow Sasuke to opportunity to attack externally, as he would be able to trap a Jinchuriki within genjutsu- a feat no other shinobi has accomplished.

      The other unique ability that only pertains to Sasuke’s Rinnegan is the Amenotejikara. This is a technique which I feel is often very underrated, as many believe it is basically just the same thing as Flying Thunder God or the simple Teleportation Technique. However, the very fact that Sasuke is able to shift others, in addition to himself, puts this technique on an entirely different level. I’ve mentioned this before, and I’ll say it again- I almost feel like this technique is basically Amenominaka Light. When you really compare the two, they are extremely similar- the only difference is that Kaguya can shift others from a longer amount of distance and when she does that, she transports them to her own pocket dimensions; however, Sasuke can only shift people at a set distance and can only transcend space and time within his own dimension, as he doesn’t have access to separate dimensions like Kaguya or Obito. Likewise, the use of surrounding objects also puts increases the threat of this technique, as it drastically increases the possibilities of what could be done with it. Essentially, the greatest use of this technique is a surprise attack, combined with a more powerful technique. With all the different uses, Sasuke could essentially come up with any opening and then use that short moment of surprise to launch a powerful move. Due to Naruto’s godlike speed, there are many scenarios in which this technique wouldn’t have an impact; however, Sasuke is smart enough to analyze the situation and knows when this would work to his benefit. In addition, I think Sasuke mastering the Rinnegan would also drastically increase this technique. Not only would his overall range increase, but he may be able to use it more than three times consecutively, as he would eventually adapt and overcome the limits of using the technique (similar to what he did with the Chidori, Amaterasu, and Susanoo- initially there were limits; now he can spam them whenever he wants).

      Next, let’s address some of the basics of the Rinnegan, and how they would pertain to Sasuke. First of all, this would allow Sasuke to easily master all six chakra natures. This could lead to Sasuke acquiring a large assortment of different techniques- many of them probably wouldn’t cause too much of a problem to Naruto, however it all depends on how Sasuke would implement them in battle, with many of them serving as either diversions or techniques used in a rapid continuum, which could either used offensively or defensively. With this ability alone, the sky's the limit

      Before going more in-depth about the core Six Paths abilities, I’ll address the Outer Path in this section first. With the Outer Path, Sasuke of course has the ability of using the Rinne Tensei, but since that’s not really relevant to the purpose of this discussion, I’m gonna breeze by it (though I’ll say this quickly without going too much in depth- due to how far Sasuke has progressed, I do think it would be possible for him to survive using the Rinne Tensei. I have an entire theory that I wouldn’t mind explaining another time if you’d like). He would also have the ability to control six different bodies, like what Nagato did, but this is another thing I doubt he would ever do. However, two key abilities of the Outer Path that could prove useful to Sasuke when fighting Sasuke is the chakra receiver rods and the Demonic Statue Chains. While the chakra receiver rods wouldn’t be useful against Naruto if he was using his Sage Chakra that he inherited from Hagoromo (meaning they would be better used in either the very beginning of the battle or after Naruto has run out of chakra), they would essentially be able to completely bind Naruto if he were careless. More dangerous, the Demonic Statue Chains have been shown to be able to completely suppress the power of the Tailed Beasts. Against Naruto, who has become the pinnacle of a Tailed Beast Jinchuriki, this would be a technique that would be extremely useful. Due to Naruto’s overwhelming power and especially his speed, it may prove difficult for Sasuke to accurately trap Naruto in such a dire circumstance, but it’s not impossible. I’d imagine this would be one of the elements in the fight Sasuke would plant in the early stages, and may pay off later.

      Let’s get the more bizarre Six Paths Techniques out of the way first, and then proceed in a descending order. Keep in mind, I believe Sasuke has the potential to use every single Rinnegan technique that was ever shown to be connected to the Six Paths Techniques, but these are just the few that wouldn't really fit with his fighting style. First of all, I just don’t see Sasuke using the Animal Path in any way in his battle against Naruto. While he could implement this ability to Aoda or his hawk, they already follow his orders to a tee, and so there would be no point. Likewise, while it would be awesome to see Sasuke use the mechanical elements of the Asura Path, this is the other one that doesn’t really fit Sasuke. If he was put into a dire situation, these two paths could prove to be a large help, but I don’t think they would really do much of a difference against Naruto.

      The Human Path and Naraka Path are pretty much grouped into the same category in the sense that they wouldn’t be utilized as much as the Deva or Preta Paths, but they are still much more useful than the previous two. As far as the Human Path is concerned, it’s prime use would come a time where Sasuke gets Naruto in an extremely vulnerable condition and wants to end the battle quickly, as this would allow him to extract Naruto’s soul, killing him instantly. The best time for this technique to be used would be if Naruto is either distracted with defending from another attack or if he is incapacitated by genjutsu or some other means. The Naraka Path would be primarily used if Sasuke ever suffered extensive damage, as it was shown that the user could be healed and/or restored by utilizing the King of Hell. Since Naruto’s techniques primarily pack a large punch, this would allow Sasuke a perfect counter and would enable him to fight for a longer period of time with constant regeneration. That said, I have always wondered just how extensive the regenerative powers of the Naraka Path extend to because if it also has the ability to restore Sasuke’s depleted chakra supply, then that could also boast an extremely useful necessity.

      The Preta Path is the second path of the core six that Sasuke would utilize the most, coming in very close behind the Deva Path. However, it could also be seen as the most important one of the six, as this is the ability that would allow Sasuke to stay on par with Naruto for an extended battle. Essentially, the Preta Path is Sasuke’s key power source. As referenced in both Nagato’s battle with Naruto and Killer Bee, as well as the final battle between Naruto and Sasuke, the Preta Path allows for the user to absorb chakra from their enemy and convert it into their own power source. Though Sasuke was able to do this a few times in the battle (in #696 with the Tailed Beasts, and then at the end of #697), he would definitely be able to accomplish even greater feats after completely mastering the Rinnegan. Though it may be tricky for Sasuke to actually get Naruto in a position where he can actually absorb his chakra, it is absolutely possible if he combines all these different techniques that I have and haven’t mentioned in this post. In a sense, this would actually even out the playing field, as Naruto always has a constant supply of chakra that will never run out that Sasuke would never be able to compete with on his own. If Sasuke would be able to utilize the Preta Path to take Naruto’s chakra supply for himself more so than he actually did in the actual fight, than that would definitely change the course of the battle significantly. The other attribute the Preta Path serves is that it also helps him avoid some of Naruto’s most powerful techniques, as he can use the Blocking Technique Absorption Seal to completely negate Naruto’s attacks. It’s impossible to guess the scale of techniques that Sasuke would be able to absorb, but we know he would at least be able to counter the average senjutsu enhanced Wind Release: Rasenshuriken, as that’s what Pain was able to do. Going with the theme that Sasuke’s Rinnegan is superior to the standard Rinnegan (which BTW will then serve to make him the best Rinnegan user in the series, as that’s the direction I see him going in), I’d be willing to be he may even be able to stop some of Naruto’s Tailed Beast Ball related techniques. But that’s just my own theory- there’s no evidence to actually prove that.

      The Deva Path would not only be Sasuke’s prime use of the Six Paths Technique, but it also has the most potential to pose a serious threat to Naruto. This mainly revolves around the three core techniques: Chibaku Tensei, Bansho Tenin, and Shinra Tensei. Let’s start with Chibaku Tensei, as we already know for a fact his Rinnegan is capable of using that technique. After perfecting his Rinnegan, the Chibaku Tensei could serve multiple purposes, from diversions to a finishing move. First of all, as Sasuke’s Rinnegan surpasses Madara’s, Sasuke would most likely be able to use it in the same sense that Madara did- creating multiple different satellites from many different black gravity spheres, essentially creating his own meteor shower. Recalling back to Madara’s battle, Naruto’s prime focus was dealing with the satellites, as their impact would cause major damage to both himself and the landscape. This is where the Chibaku Tensei could serve as a distraction, as Sasuke could use this opportunity to launch several attacks at Naruto while he is busy dealing with the man-made meteors. And that’s not even mentioning the fact that Sasuke has shown the ability to manipulate the satellites, meaning he could maneuver them in specific directions that may give Naruto more of a hard time. Also, a unique characteristic of Sasuke’s own Chibaku Tensei is that he has shown the ability to make particular object the gravity center as a substitute for the black orb. With that said, that means he could even make Naruto the gravity center, which would mean all of the debris would swarm and consume Naruto within it. Unlike the battle with Nagato where Naruto, Bee, and Itachi destroyed the satellite by allowing their techniques to be attracted up towards the gravity center, this is impossible in this scenario because Naruto himself is the gravity center (BTW, while I don’t think this would actually finish off Naruto, it would sure as hell give him a run for his money). Next, we have the Bansho Tenin. Of all the Deva Path abilities, this is the one that is least likely to have a profound effect on Naruto, as he has proven that he is able to counter the technique with his NIne-Tails Chakra arms. However, remember that this is all after Sasuke has mastered the Rinnegan, which most likely means his proficiency with the technique is superior to Nagato’s, meaning it may cause more of a threat. Now, we finally get to the Shinra Tensei (which happens to be my favorite Rinnegan technique, and if I had one Rinnegan technique I’d like to see from Sasuke in the anime fight, it would be this one). Before I proceed, recall what Pain was able to do to Konoha with his own Shinra Tensei. Now keeping in mind that Sasuke is leagues above Nagato and he has perfected the Rinnegan, imagine what he would be able to do. Essentially, if given the right opportunity, Sasuke would be able to destroy a large area of land with the devastating force, which would not only injure Naruto like during the Pain battle, but it would also counter many of Naruto’s projectile-based techniques, meaning that many of Naruto’s more powerful attacks may not even land a hit on Sasuke. The only real drawback to this technique would be the five second delay that would leave Sasuke vulnerable, but as you can see from this post, he has more than enough to defend himself in that time range. Plus, if he has perfected the Rinnegan, the time span of the recharge period could be significantly shorter, or maybe even non existent at all. With such a powerful ability at Sasuke’s disposal, this is almost enough to put Sasuke on Naruto’s level all by itself.

      Finally, there is just one more part about Sasuke’s Rinnegan that I want to mention, and it has to do with him combining all these powers with some of his other techniques. While there are many clever ways that he could combine these with some of his Fire, Lightning, or Blaze Release techniques, the more interesting one I want to talk about the most is the possibility of using these in conjunction with his Perfect Susanoo. Basically, I believe it’s possible to utilize these techniques through the Perfect Susanoo, which would largely increase their destructive capacity due to using the PS as a means of conveying the technique. The three prime examples of this is how Sasuke was able to use Chidori via the PS, how he managed to use the Preta Path to absorb all of the Tailed Beasts’ chakra, and finally how he used Amenotejikara to attack Naruto from behind in #696. This leads me to believe that the Rinnegan abilities may also be able to be used via PS, meaning that their overall destructive capacity and dangerous nature would be enhanced due to the complexion of PS. For example, this may allow Sasuke’s Shinra Tensei to destroy an entire country (similar in ways to what Pain did to Konoha), while he may be able to create a Chibaku Tensei satellite that even rivals the size of the moon.

      Well, as you can see, my Sasuke Rinnegan explanation pretty much took up the majority of this entire thread. I hope you can kind of see where I’m coming from. The important thing to remember that all of what I have written is what would most likely happen if Sasuke mastered his Rinnegan to it’s completion. With all of these abilities (plus all of his other techniques, specifically EMS powers, that weren’t even mentioned), I truly believe this would put Sasuke on a level extremely close to Naruto, while maybe even being completely on par with him. Some of the things I said might cause some issues, and I’m willing to discuss it with you. But even so, this is just one of those things that I will probably believe adamantly, no matter what some of your explanations may be. Just know that going in before you respond.

      Well that’s my point. Since it was only a portion of them, they didn’t have enough power at the time to supply Naruto with enough to formulate techniques revolving around their individual abilities like he did against Madara and Kaguya. However, the remnants of what remained of their power supply were given to naruto to allow him to increase the abilities that I previously mentioned.

      Again, I can’t deny that, but the reasoning I saw is pretty much what I’m going with. Though one thing I would like to mention is that it was stated that it was Kurama that gathered the natural energy, not just the Naruto clone. With that said, that must count for something.

      Eh, I kind of already touched upon this before. It’s just one of those things that don’t bother me at all. Naruto is a demigod, which essentially means that certain mundane rankings don’t pertain to him anymore. In fact, the title of Hokage is below Naruto, as he has far surpassed even that. If anything, he should be referred to as the next Sage of the Six Paths. Besides, after everything that went down, there would be no need to prove himself. He’s completely done that and so him becoming something like a Chunin or Jonin is trivial. And even if it is a flaw, is it really surprising. Kakashi getting Perfect Susanoo was ever worse- that’s just a flaw in the logic previously determined in the series.

      Yep, I haven’t watched many of those. There is still a lot of ambiguity around that; besides Orochimaru, that’s what I’m mostly interested in concerning the miniseries.

      That actually brought up an interesting idea. I wonder if Naruto’s chakra cloaks are still in some way connected to everyone. Based on what we saw later in the War when they reappeared after having disappeared for awhile, I’d be willing to bet they are. Hopefully that means NInshu might make some kind of an appearance in the miniseries.

      Yeah, that was a pretty good moment. Thinking back on the series, there weren’t as many teamwork portions in the series as I thought there were. Really, there was only really teamwork in the battles against Zabuza, Haku, the Ten-Tails, Obito, Madara, and finally Kaguya.

      BTW, what would you prefer- Naruto and Sasuke taking on Kaguya solo, or the Team 7 dynamic?

      Well, that’s something I’ve always had a bit of an issue with. There is a key difference between having raw power and being a strong character. A powerful character is just that- they have a lot of chakra which are capable of creating massive explosions and miracles such as creating the Tailed Beasts. However, a strong character is one that not only has a significant amount of power, but also has the means and intelligence to use that power to turn the tide of battle in their favor. This is the #1 reason why Madara could be Kaguya in a fight. Likewise, while it’s not confirmed that Madara had more power than Hagoromo, but even if he didn’t, he would still come out on top. BTW, I’m pretty sure Madara achieved Kaguya level status when the Rinne Sharingan awakened, as he was pretty much the same as Hagoromo when he just had both Rinnegan.


      II. Otsutsuki Blog:

      I get where you’re coming from. That said, do you think the anime could do anything to make you see her in a better light (similar to Obito)? Speaking of which, what do you actually think of Obito (specifically, what do you think of manga Obito when compared to anime Obito)?

      Do you have any opinions on any of my own personal ideas from the many things I wrote about (it’s mostly fanon, but if you can picture it in your head, it’s pretty cool)?

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  • So during our hiatus, I've been searching around and talking to a lot of interesting people. Of those I've encountered, the two most interesting ones would have to be that extensive summary of the Kobayashi interview (speaking of that, did you ever read that?) and what I'm about to share with you now. I have been talking with someone who is essentially an expert on the anime industry and knows what he's talking about. I'm not entirely sure about his profession, but given his track record of many of his predictions actually coming true, I'd be willing to bet he's some how connected with Studio Pierrot. After all, he even put me in connection with Hayato Date, the director of the Naruto Shippuden anime (more on that later). We've talked about a lot of interesting topics, but the one that I was mostly interested in was (as you probably could have guessed) the anime adaptation of Naruto and Sasuke's final battle. With that, I'd just like to share what he said and get your own opinions on that. 

    And just so you know, I'm still talking to him on a regular basis, and so I'll be sure to let you know if he says anything else interesting enough that expands on the subject; we usually write one message to each other once a day, due to the time difference, as he actually lives in Japan (which makes him more reliable in this instance even more so then before).

    Finally, I just want to make it clear one last time that this is not 100% confirmed. This is just an expert's best guess of what may happen based on the past experiences, as well as his previous conversations with those who work at Studio Pierrot. Though despite all of that, much of what he predicted is highly likely to occur, and so that's why I felt it was justified to share this with you. With that said, here you go- 


    I. Length/Filler Content:

    • He believes the fight may be about two or three episodes, with one of them being outsourced to another studio (meaning the quality may not be on par). 
    • However, it's also not impossible for it to be extended to more episodes (such as four or five episodes), though the overall animation quality may dwindle if that was the case.
    • Of the entire fight in the anime, he believes 48% of it will contain filler content.
    • From the extended/filler scenes, the majority will be taijutsu sequences, though the larger battle (Tailed Beast Mode vs. Perfect Susanoo) will also receive extended scenes as well.
    • Depending on the animator, it may also be possible for them to allow Naruto and Sasuke to use some of their abilties they have but did not use in the manga battle. For example, this means Naruto may use powers from all of the Tailed Beasts (such as a Lava Release: Rasenshuriken), while Sasuke may use some Rinnegan abilities he did not display in the manga (such as Shinra Tensei). For the record, don't know how likely this would be, but I would absolutely love to see them do this- even if it doesn't follow the manga.

    II. Animators/What Type of Content They Will Adapt:

    While there could be more or different ones than he suggested, he believes there are six key animators who will be assigned to animate this battle. Along with the list of animators, I will provide a link to their work (if available), as well as what exactly they should be animating (taijutsu sequences, ninjutsu, Godzilla portions, etc).

    • Norio Matsumoto- He would mainly be animating taijutsu/ninjutsu sequences.
    • Hiroyuki Yamashita- He would mainly be animating taijutsu/ninjutsu sequences, along with Matsumoto.
    • Shingo Yamashita (no video; sorry)- He would mainly be animating the Tailed Beast Mode vs. Perfect Susanoo sequences.
    • Tetsuya Nishio (not from Naruto, but you can still see his style)- He would mainly be animating the Tailed Beast Mode vs. Perfect Susanoo sequences, along with Shingo.
    • Hirofumi Suzuki (again, no video)- He would mainly be animating miscellaneous sequences not covered in the previous two (I'm not entirely sure what he means by "misceallaneous"; not sure if that means all the filler or just certain sequences at random- I'll clarify when he responds to me again).
    • Atsushi Wakabayashi (#167 animator)- He would mainly be animating miscellaneous sequences as well, along with Suzuki (again, trying to find out what that means).

    III. Other Miscellaneous Information Pertaining to Battle:

    • As far as filler goes, he thinks the main places where it could be added is before #695 (for some smaller stuff), during sequences in #695/696 (for the Tailed Beast Mode vs. Perfect Susanoo section), and of course during that two-page spread from #697. I'm still trying to find out what kind of stuff he is referring to specifically (especially from that first part, as I'm wondering if he thinks they will add some taijutsu/ninjutsu before they enter their avatars in #695).
    • When it comes to Naruto using Tailed Beast powers/Sasuke using Rinnegan abilities, Wakabayashi is the most likely animator who would do something like that, as he is the one that usually diverts from the path of the manga the most (as referenced in episode #167, when so much filler was added- it might not have looked the best, but that's what I'd like to see when it comes to filler).
    • My source has talked to Hayato Date more extensively than I have (as he obviously has connections), and he said that he was told something like "don't be worried about this fight in the anime, as we know everyone is excited about it and we will do our best!"
    • When I got into contact with Date, he said- いつも応援ありがとうございます、現在いろいろ企画中です放送までお楽しみに。 OAをお楽しみに In English, that translates to- "Thank you for your continuous support. Preparations for the some anime project are now under way. Please Look forward to it!" Nothing important, but still interesting nonetheless. 
    • Date has actually seen this video (which I have asked you a question about on the other discussion), and so it may be possible that he will take influence from this.


    So, that's all I have for you for now. There will probably be more in the future. With that all laid out, what do you think of this? Also, do you have any of your own questions for me to ask (and it doesn't have to be directly related to this fight- almost anything about the anime in general)?

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    • I really don't have any outstanding questions for someone who works on the anime, my questions are more for the author, not the animators. The stuff I put above are just more of fan suggestions than anything. How long the anime is going to be until the finish it is something I would like to know, because I would wonder how much filler they are really planning on, and why exactly they are expanding it to their extent when the series is over. Hopefully there is another reason than just more money.

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    • Alright, finally have the time. Like you said, I might go into more detail later in my response. Also, I'll probably ask some questions similar to those on the other discussion I created, in which case you can just ignore those when you get to it. 

      Length/Filler: 

      It's funny, when I first asked him the question, all he wrote was "48%", and I found some sort of humor in that since it was just so blunt. But why do you think it's surprising that 48% of the content would be filler? Honestly, I think this is a pretty good estimate, as there is a lot to expand upon in this battle in the anime. Although, why do you think it would be difficult to limit it to only five episodes, when keeping in mind that he would actually go with two or three episodes first and foremost (and while on the topic, what do you think about that kind of an estimate?)? Finally, of the two options, which one would you prefer (essentially, given the new information, what is the perfect length for you)? The chances of them sticking to one animator for the entire battle is very slim- that happens very little in the anime. However, what is a possibility (as mentioned) is that because this fight is such a large deal, they may get a slew of their best people dedicated solely for this battle. And as mentioned above, the best ones are the six he believes will be assigned to the project. Well, when it comes to that I'm thinking we may get some type of filler scenes at the beginning in #695, in which case Sasuke would be keeping up the pressure and Naruto wouldn't enter Six Paths Sage Mode until later. Though that's just a guess, and we can go more into detail about that on the other discussion where I was talking about this type of thing specifically. What do you think about the chances of Naruto and Sasuke using some abilities they weren't shown using in the anime (such as the powers of the Tailed Beasts and the Rinnegan's abilities)?

      Animators:

      True, but again I point out to the fact that the six listed below cannot work on every single episode for the battle. With that said, there will absolutely be a difference in quality- even more so if a lot of filler is added and it extends the fight even longer. I believe I'm in the minority who would prefer better quality for the actual fight (which in this case means adding filler) over better quality animation. It's kind of an obscure comparison, but it's a funny one my friend once used, and so I'd like to borrow it- it's like George Lucas' special edition releases of the original Star Wars movies. While the quality may have been increased due to better technology to enhance the picture, the quality of the overall films diminished because he added so much BS that compromised the experience. It's the same thing here- I prefer the fight itself being improved more than just looking better. Do you see where I'm coming from? But anyways, back to the topic- if you know anything about the animators I listed, what do you think of them? Any you're really happy/angry to see?

      Other Info: 

      Furthermore, he went on to elaborate that if those extended sequences were to occur, they would most likely happen before they entered their powerful forms in #695. I'd imagine it would play out with them engaging in a little taijutsu, some elaborate ninjutsu, and then finally breaching into the filler material with the more eccentric ideas. To be honest, I wouldn't be too surprised if we didn't see them using these kind of abilties, as it would be almost a completely different experience than what we got in the manga. However, once again, that doesn't mean I would be opposed to seeing it- even if would seem kind of out of left field. Though to be honest, almost everything has come out of no where in the last 100 chapters of the manga (need I remind you of Kakashi's Perfect Susanoo?). Compared to that, this wouldn't be such a surprise. And as far as Kishimoto goes, he later went onto clarify that when it comes to the bigger decisions, Studio Pierrot typically consult him in their bigger decisions. Do you think this is something he may agree to change? With that said, I've made a mid-post decision to just take everything from the third discussion revolving around this fight in the anime and post it here, as this is kind of topic-centric (as you'll see, I've removed this content from that discussion). Here's the rest (and a few other parts I thought of):

      • What do you think of this video? Do you think we'll get something similar to this in the anime?
      • Even if the quality may be distracting, which would you prefer- a short fight with consistent animation or an extended battle with good animation for the canon and decent/lackluster animation for the filler scenes, thus making it inconsistent?
      • What do you think is the line that the anime wouldn't cross when adding filler content (for instance, is it too much of a stretch to see something like Naruto using all of the Tailed Beasts powers or Sasuke using Kirin/Shinra Tensei)?
      • What did you want to see from the fight in the manga that you didn't see (though keep in mind that we are talking about something realistic that the anime could add it- nothing too spontaneous, like Sasuke using Lightning Armor that you talked about in the past)? As far as what I want to see the most, there happens to be...
      • ...two that comes to mind- the first is a sequence that is a very choreographed taijutsu confrontation between Naruto and Sasuke (unlike 697, which was completely raw and brutal; think of this as almost like Kakashi vs. Obito in the anime), and the second being 100's of Naruto clones engaging Sasuke while the latter uses interesting methods/techniques to dispatch the clones. What do you think of these ideas? Do you want to see these events happen? Finally, when do you think they might add this kind of filler content in relation to the manga chapters (once again, I'd go with the beginning of #695 or during #697)?


      As far as your question goes, I actually asked that before. First of all, do you know why the anime is doing this horrible Chunin Exams filler right now, even though the manga has already ended? The reason for this is because all of their best animators (such as the six listed above and more than that) are currently working on the Boruto movie. Therefore, they are doing this filler arc now so they can put their best men on the conclusion of the series when they are not busy with the movie. In the long run, this is probably the best option- you don't want to see Naruto, Sasuke & Guy vs. Madara, Team 7 vs. Kaguya, Naruto vs. Sasuke, and the conclusion of the series handled with sh*tty animation, do you? It sucks right now, but we just need to suck it up. He also said he expects this process to continue until summer, meaning that we won't get back to the canon until summer as well. The filler will probably end some time in June or July.

      Regarding the anime ending as a whole, I also asked him about that. If they get back to the canon this summer and added no more filler (meaning arcs- not filler battle scenes), the anime could very well end by the end of 2015. However, it is likely that they may pull an "end of Part I", and create filler between the time gap of 699 and 700. Furthermore, he does believe that they will animate the Boruto miniseries (it's not yet clear if it would still be Naruto Shippuden or a new series entirely), but it's also possible the anime could continue to extend the story even after the miniseries could end. So essentially, there is no clear answer as to when the anime will end. Given how it does make them a lot of money, I don't see it ending anytime soon.

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  • I saw a post today saying that Naruto will indeed go on to a Part 3.

    I was wondering if there was any proof of this or if it was confirmed somewhere else? (I saw it on Facebook..so my skepticism is high)

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    • It is confirmed, but I don't think it's what you think. Part III is the Boruto Mini-Series, it going to launch sometime in the Spring. It's only going to last a few months though.

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    • Yeah that's what I thought. The way this was worded though made it sound like it was going to be a big thing. I figured it would be centered around Boruto though.

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    • It's not really going to be anything big. We will be lucky if it lasts until August, when the Boruto movie is coming out. That is mostly what the Boruto mini-series is for, to lead into the movie, which will finish it off.

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  • Is it wrong being a hero? Cause sometimes I hear some people say that it's for fools.

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    • Depends on the context. The problem with heroes sometimes is that they are very self-righteous, which can get old quick. The silent hero is probably much better, because you know their reasons are entirely noble. It's why Itachi is probably more liked than Naruto.

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  • I know you're definitely getting this because it's a new thread.

    Alright I'm done with school and my weekend has now started. I'm about to start planning out my weekend so can you please just let me know what your plans for the discussion are? Thanks!

    P.S. What are your thoughts on this stupid dress debacle?

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    • 1. I replied, but I don't know how consistant I can be for the next few weeks.

      2. It starts in about 4 weeks, I have finals during the last week and I graduate that Friday, so I'll be out for most of that time. My workload is really high in the coming weeks, and so my contributions will be down as a result.

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    • Okay, mine starts in six weeks. Basically, since we're almost in summer and now that we actually have new content, I figured maybe it would be best to hold off on our discussion until then since it's going to start getting pretty busy. Of course you can respond to whatever whenever you want (and I'll respond back), but this might just be easier for the time being. 

      That said, I still am pretty excited to get your response, as I said a lot of things I'm curious for your opinion on (specifically all the stuff about the Rinnegan). Oh, and BTW, my source has finally decided to hand the list of requests in the middle of May, as that's when Studio Pierrot should be planning out everything for the rest of the year, which is the perfect time to drop this on them. I'm not sure if you read the other message, but I addressed your idea of them collaborating with Kishimoto. Again, I don't know how they would respond, but you said you did have more to say. Essentially, I'm saying you should just let me know what else you want to say so I can put it in on the list. Since I'll be handing it in to my guy some time around the middle of May (13th-17th; somewhere around there), please just let me know about any final suggestions by then, even if this doesn't correspond with our actual discussion.

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