Indifferent is probably a good word. "Meh" is probably the word I used to describe it.
I have a hard time feeling any sense of suspense to Naruto's fate, because Naruto is basically a demi-god. The eye was interesting, but who knows what that even was supposed to be. It was neither a Byakugan nor a Tenseigan, so as far as I'm concerned, it would be a massive waste.
The only thing I would find remotely interesting is the markings both Boruto and the villain had on their arms. Other than that, I'll pass on suffering the sub-par art quality and just read the synopsis on Narutopedia.
I'm sorry for posting so many questions to you like this, but I had one I was thinking about for a while. How would Guy be able to master techniques like Night Guy or Evening Elephant, if they could only be used after the 8th gate was opened, and doing so was fatal?
I have a question about the Mangekyo Sharingan. If there are two Uchiha, neither of which have attained the Mangekyo form, if one were to lose both their eyes, and they transplanted the eyes of the second Uchiha, if the first Uchiha were to attain the Mangekyo, would the form be of the first Uchiha's original designation, the second, or would it take the form of the eternal Mangekyo? Let me rephrase it. Let's assume Madara and Izuna both activated their Sharingan, yet did not have access to the Mangekyo. If Madara were to take Izuna's eyes, and attain the Mangekyo down the road, what form would his eyes take?
I don't think there is any "correct" answer to this, because it never was fully explained in the series, but I will give you my analysis.
First, lets analyze what exactly the Sharingan and Mangekyo Sharingan are and how they awaken. For the Uchiha, they awaken the Sharingan when stress caused by intense feelings for others close to them overcomes them. For Sarada, it was the chance to meet her father. So it doesn't have to necessarily be negative, but since the Shinobi World is dangerous, that is usually the case, and it is caused by stress caused by the possiblity of losing someone close or the breaking of a bond, or such.
Now, Tobirama explained that what exactly happens is that the Uchiha's brain produces a chakra than stems to their eyes and awakens the Sharingan in those Uchiha eyes. So, it's combination of the Uchiha brain and the Uchiha eyes that actually awakens the Sharingan.
Now, for the Mangekyo Sharingan it takes much more intense emotion to awaken. For most Uchiha, it has always been the loss of someone close to them, usually the most important, for Madara and Izuna, it was their best friends, for Itachi, it was Shisui, and for Sasuke, it was Itachi.
So, the chakra that produces the Mangekyo Sharingan awakens in this way.
So, through out the Uchiha's life, there is the chance to awaken two special chakra that awaken and advance these eyes.
So, to your question. In my viewpoint, it is not the eyes that are unique, but the chakra that activates them. Each Sharingan is "standard Sharingan", but the chakra that awakens their forms are unique to the Uchiha in question.
So, if a Sharingan was awakened by an Uchiha, that is their specific Sharingan, not because of the eyes, but because of the chakra. It just doesn't seem unique, because all Sharingan have the same powers. However, for Mangekyo Sharingan, it is the same, yet very different, because Mangekyo Sharingan have different abilities.
So, in my view, if Madara took Izuna's eyes before the Mangekyo awakening, it would be Izuna's Sharingan, but Madara's original Sharingan would become Mangekyo Sharingan seperate of his body. However, as we've established, the Sharingan have all the same abilities, so it wouldn't matter.
Now, what I find interesting is that logically, if the Sharingan is in Madara's head, but Izuna sees his friend's death through another set of eyes, it will awaken his Mangekyo in Madara's head. Similar to how Obito's Mangekyo awakened while it was in Kakashi's head, even though Kakashi doesn't have the special chakra to awaken it.
So, I will create some situations/examples to explain:
1. Madara steals Izuna's Sharingan and kills him. He implants Izuna's eyes and removes his own. Then Madara kills his best friend, leading to the chakra to awaken a Mangekyo to be released. Instead of Izuna's Sharingan in Madara's own head, his original Sharingan eyes elsewhere would evolve, not the ones in his head. This goes back to how even though Obito's Sharingan was seperate from his head when the chakra awakened, it still transformed his original Sharingan, also, his brain didn't awaken a new Mangekyo Sharingan for himself when he implanted that other Sharingan in his left eyehole later on.
2. Next, Madara awakens a Mangekyo Sharingan but steals Izuna's Sharingan before Izuna awakens a Mangekyo Sharingan. In which situation, Madara's eyes are removed and Izuna's are implanted, but Izuna's eyes will not transform, because the Mangekyo was never achieved by Izuna. However, should Izuna have lived, and then experienced a death of his best friend, his Sharingan would evolve into Mangekyo Sharingan in Madara's head, while then becoming Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan thereafter.
Because you see, the Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan, in my view, is when a Mangekyo Sharingan that was awakened by one unique Uchiha brain's chakra is exposed to the chakra awakened in another Uchiha's brain.
In other words, had Sasuke transplanted Itachi's eyes before his own awakening, they would have stayed Itachi's Mangekyo Sharingan. However, if he had awakened his own chakra soon after it would have evolved Itachi's eyes into a Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan form.
Some people feel that the EMS is unique to whatever brother is using it, but in my view, the EMS is a fusion of both brother's unique chakra, and will be the same regardless of which brother has it. The only difference is the abilities it uses. It is the brother who has the EMS whose powers are used, so for Madara and Sasuke, it was their abilities.
Now, I cannot speak to what would happen if Madara and Izuna traded eyes after the Mangekyo release. Because no brother has ever survived, neither Izuna nor Itachi, to attempt that. However, if I were to guess, I'd imagine both would awaken the same EMS, just with different abilities, the one's they had before. In other word, their Mangekyo would just be upgraded. I base this on the fact that Itachi never said a brother "had" to be killed for the act, just their eyes were needed. I hope this helps in explaining my reasoning.
It helped. Thank you. Actually, I have just one more question. It had been stated that to awaken the eternal Mangekyo, the donor and recipient had to have strong blood ties for the Eternal variant to have the highest chance to come forth. In your opinion, how stong would the blood bond have to be? Siblings would be ideal, but what about a hypothetical grandparent-grandchild duo?
The stronger the blood ties, the stronger the EMS. It's that simple. A grandparent-grandchild EMS would not be as strong as the typical sibling EMS. I can't say how strong, as there is no possible way to measure. However, had Sasuke say, used his father or grandfather's Mangekyo Sharingan instead of Itachi's, the resulting EMS would not have been as strong as the one Madara had.
Really, the sibling EMS is the strongest kind of EMS that one can form, because you and your sibling have almost identical DNA make-up, just in a different sequence. That is why siblings are usually sought after for transplants, rather than a parent or child. You have the highest chance of adapting to a transplant if it is a sibling, provided you share all the necessary things like blood-type and elsewise.
All I can say is I'm glad we decided to wait for your character analysis. Very exciting. I wonder what the real motive behind making Boruto the "sun" was. Perhaps, Orochimaru wants Mitsuki to become a rival with Boruto like Sasuke had a rival in Naruto, to allow Mitsuki to develop faster.
Either way, a "natural Sage Mode-user?" That's really unexpected.
The older Mitsuki stated he placed a "sun" in the scroll to give Mitsuki "purpose". In other words, it's a reference to the "suns" Killer B and Naruto said they had inside of them. Likewise how Obito said that Rin was his "sun/star".
By Orochimaru and adult Mitsuki's designs, Boruto is to be Mitsuki's "sun", that which gives Mitsuki purpose. Which would explain why Mitsuki gravitates to him. Mitsuki knew about Boruto even before going to Konoha.
I know right? Lol even though we talked about the theory itself earlier, I honestly never expected Mitsuki to have a Sage Mode so soon. The design is something new as well. To me, it even resembles Toneri's chakra mode which makes me wish Mitsuki was Toneri's son, even more, lol. The older Mitsuki resembled Tobirama to me.
Yeah, I wonder why Boruto is the "sun" too. I thought that Orochimaru had no idea about him or Sarada given that he didn't know who Sarada was in the Scarlet Spring manga.
After seeing that new Sage Mode, I have to bump Mitsuki up as the strongest member of Team Konohamaru XD.
Still, if you noticed. Mitsuki's name originally meant "Snake Vessel" that is very interesting considering "vessels" are what Orochimaru calls his host bodies, and Orochimaru is considered the snake.
Although, both the elder Mitsuki and Orochimaru imply that Mitsuki is to evolve from "Snake Vessel" to "Moon", which his name also means. He is supposed to represent a "light in the darkness" which is what the Moon is. Similarly, the Moon is given light by the Sun, which is another tie in to the concept of a "Sun" lighting ones world.
In other words, Orochimaru and the elder Mitsuki intended for Mitsuki to use Boruto to open a way of life of some sorts.
As we have discussed in the past, Mitsuki and Boruto seem to have a connection that isn't really touched on. That is why I'm still sticking to my Otsutsuki theory, but we can discuss that elsewhere.
Well, it would logically have rejected him like his other bodies did after 3 years.
The advantages Shin's body had was it didn't reject anything. So, logically, Orochimaru would be able to stay in a Shin body for as long he wanted, which makes sense why he cloned the Shin enmasse, no only to have their bodies for experiments, but also to act as ultimate "vessels".
For Mitsuki, Orochimaru could be trying to find the perfect way to take advantange of Shin's body and his Living Corpse Reincarnation. To create the ultimate body.
Hello Mr. Omega64, I came to you because I encountered a problem. When I tried to ask my question, it of course went to search results but I accidentally redirected it to another question that wasn't the same so you might want to do something about it. Actually, it might be better if you told me how to these sorts of things myself so I won't have to bother the higher-ups about it. I just thought I would ask that to save some time. Also, do you think that you could be so kind as to answer that question for me while you're at it please? Thanks for taking the time to read this message. The question I had is as follows:
Why did Obito make Sasuke so OP by giving him the Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan?
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Obito wanted Sasuke to awaken the EMS because he was planning on strengthening Sasuke and controlling him using Sasuke's hate. He hoped, with any luck, he might get Sasuke strong enough to capture Naruto and awaken the Rinnegan. Obito wanted another Rinnegan activated so he could seal the rest of the Tailed Beasts and sacrifice Sasuke to revive Madara.
However, Obito was cautious with whether to sync Sasuke with the Gedo Statue or not, ultimately, once Sasuke proved to be too uncontrollable, Obito abandoned his plan, and Sasuke, entirely.
He was only uncontrollable as far as Obito's long-term plans were concerned. Sasuke was still steered in the right direction, attacking Naruto. If Sasuke were to recover and fight Naruto, it would work in Obito's favor. Even if he killed Naruto, Obito could just capture Kurama after the fox revived.
Hey Omega, I noticed that Fire and Lightning are the only two releases that have yet to have a Kekkei Genkai together, canon wise of course. What kind of Kekkai Genkai do you imagine the two would make?
Actually, there isn't one for Wind or Lightning either. I don't quite know, because when it comes to stuff like Wind and Lightning, one would think the elements natural contradiction would prevent that, but it didn't prevent Scorch Release.
Let's think about it shall we. Lightning creates high frequency vibrations while wind chakra is creating strong blades of wind. So, one would think a fusion between these sharp blades and vibrations would be the result. I remember Omni and I were once suspecting it was Swift Release that they showed in the second Naruto movie.
As for Fire and Lightning, my only suspicion was Explosion Release, but Earth was stated to be a feature of it because it uses Earth hand signs. So really, no clue there. Dark Release, maybe?
I was ready on the wiki and it says that Typhoon Release, a Kekkei Genkai shown in the Sasuke Shinden books, might be the combination of Wind and Lightning Release. I don't know if those books are canon though. Here's where I read it: http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:202588
I have no clue either lol. I read on some forums that Fire and Lightning could make something called "Plasma Release" but that didn't make sense to me since most if not all Lightning already has Plasma.
I have already been following that thread. It's my understanding that Seelentau, who is Narutopedia's official translator, isn't sure how to categorize the advanced nature, like Mud Release and Steel Release, it is another advanced nature that doesn't quite have a place anywhere in the table.
From what Seel was explaining, the story refers to Wind Release as "related" to Typhoon Release, as in Typhoon Release is a sub-category of Wind Release, similar to how Blaze Release is a sub-category of Fire Release. The same is true from Steel and Mud Release. That perhaps the Hiden and Shinden books are taking advantange of just like Blaze Release to create "single nature" based advanced natures, like Mud being just a sub-category advanced nature of Earth, same for Steel. After all, Kakuzu's Iron Skin is basically altering his body to be as strong as steel using Earth Release. So the prinnciple of both is present.
I have heard of Plasma Release. That is another one of Omni's theories that are being thrown around. It's not new.
It would make sense, because plasma is produced by heating a gas and applying a laser. You are heating electrons to accelerate them. It's a prinnciple of nuclear fusion in physics.
So, to be honest it does make sense. It's just it might be "too much science" for a series like Naruto. Which is possibly why Kishi never worked it in. Because, when you think about it, there are a lot of elements in the story that are very strong in science, but just shy over going over people's heads. However, when it comes to "Plasma Release" the science would be too complex for children and teens, and it might just end up creating a release that would logically be too powerful. I mean, we are implying that there is a release capable of something akin to nuclear fusion. That's a pretty far stretch.
Ah, is that so? What episode was that of the filler?
Either way, that would be the only indication of him having a Lightning affinity. In fact, Kakashi kind of alludes to Sasuke having a Fire affinity because he is a part of the Uchiha Clan. Of course, between Fire and Lightning, Sasuke seems to be equally skilled, not predisposed to either of the two.
It's probably because Sasuke is supposed to be such a genius, that he practically doesn't really have an affinity, and can master whatever he wants in the same amount of time as most other things.
I don't recall sadly. Been so swamped, but you can tell from Sasuke's latest talk on the talkpage of the actual wikia there is one. Besides that genius statement is not entirely true. He did struggle to master the Fireball as a child.
Yes, because he was a child. Just because you don't flawlessly perform a jutsu once, doesn't mean you aren't a genius.
Genius and natural talent only take you so far. That's something Boruto didn't initially understand. You need to have the resolve to develop your genius to truly excel.
Sasuke still mastered a nature transformation, something that usually takes years of training as a shinobi, but he did it within a month as a child, not even a shinobi yet. He also mastered the Fireball, which is a B-Rank jutsu that requires Chunin-levels of chakra.
So really, no way you slice it, Sasuke is still a genius. In fact, the idea he was 13 with two nature transformations is also ridiculous to think of, because usually only experienced Jonin have two or three nature releases.
According to what I've heard, Hidan is technically immortal. The only way he would be able to die is through malnutrition. Assuming what I have heard is true, what was Hidan's status by the time of The Last? I know that he was still alive by the time of the 4th War, due to him not being summoned (Kakuzu even mentioned that he took Hidan's absence as proof he was still alive, at that point). Was he still incapacitated, or had he died during The Last?
Here's what I can offer. I can write up character descriptions with unique, realistic abilities such as the Rasen-Spear for some select characters and even some our your characters, and add to their character development. That way, you don't have to worry about the lore or their personalities and just focus on the story you want to tell. Just so we are clear, I'm pretty adament on how I think they will develop, based on what we've seen so far. Their abilities seem pretty mapped out as well. For example, if Boruto develops in the spin-off, then he should have no problem becoming as strong as Toneri, which is actually pretty close to Naruto.
You'd benefit greatly by putting this on the back-burner and waiting until the spin-off comes out. That way, you can intergrate elements of the story into your own. For example, whether Boruto awakens the Byakugan or not will really effect my view of his future skill set. Likewise, if Mitsuki is what I suspect he is, then his development and his interaction with Boruto would also change.
I don't really need any sort of compensation, I enjoy doing this as a hobby. Besides, it'd be too troublesome to set it up. As long as you can just give me as much time as I need for helping you, we should have no problems with my schedule.
That's great to hear ^^ Thanks a bunch. That's actually what I was going to do, wait until the monthly manga comes around so I can get a feel for where he's going with the story etc. Plus I don't wanna contradict anything here and there. I don't have that many original characters, but the ones that I do have are antagonists. What I'm doing right now is working on the storyboards for the prologue chapter (which I'm really eager to show to you) and then once I'm done with that, I'm practicing strictly on imitating Kishimoto's style until I've got it down and added on to the plot. And yeah dude, as much time as you need is alright with me.
How would communication work? I understand that giving out personal information is a little too much, so are there any websites out there where I could share this and that with you privately? I honestly don't feel comfortable putting up stuff here on this website, since other people can see it. Yeah, it can always be deleted but I just see it being a little troublesome after a while.
But any means of contact are okay with me at the end of the day. Feel free to let me know how you'd wanna carry this out. Thanks again for the helping hand.
Well, it would depend on how much communication you think you need. I can make a "for business only" e-mail if we are going to do this. I just didn't want to bother with it if you just wanted to send a quick message.
Me and some of my friends are working on a pretty advanced theory right now. It's basically been turning into almost an essay. It's about how Hagoromo was actually stronger than Kaguya in all of her different states, even as the Ten-Tails, and how Naruto actually has the potential to surpass Kaguya and the Ten-Tails and is probably the only one who can reach Hagoromo's true level.
Well, I imagine that I'll have an x amount of stuff I'd like to show you or discuss from time to time, so I think a business only email would work just fine. My email is email@example.com just in case you don't want to the list the email here. Feel free to shoot me a message.
I actually wouldn't be surprised became that omnipotent. Ever since Hagoromo gave him and Sasuke those powers, their potential practically exploded through the roof, especially Naruto. Having a new and improved right arm helps even more. I thought Hagoromo and Hamura were only as strong as Kaguya when they were together? Like how Sasuke and Naruto had to team up for Madara. I was never really sure if they were capable of taking Madara on one on one. But in Hagoromo's case, maybe Hamura was just there because he was necessary in sealing her and so on. That's a good topic though.
Well, they were as strong as her "starting out". Hagoromo had the bulk of the power with the Rinnegan, while Hamura had the Byakugan.
Hamura went to the Moon after the Ten-Tails sealing, but Hagoromo stayed on Earth. Hamura eventually awoke the Tenseigan, which had prowess in league with the Rinnegan.
However, Hagoromo's power dramatically increased when he summoned the Ten-Tails back to Earth and sealed it into himself. Becoming the Ten-Tails' Jinchuriki.
Kaguya with her Chakra Fruit was only weaker than the Ten-Tails, which is her and the Shinju fused. The only way to become stronger than the Ten-Tails and Kaguya is to seal the Ten-Tails inside of yourself, because only the Ten-Tails' Jinchuriki is stronger than the Ten-Tails, because it is the power of the Ten-Tails concentrated as Gyuki said.
Madara surpassed Hagoromo "fundamentally" by awakening the Rinne Sharingan and activating Infinite Tsukuyomi. Kaguya "stole" this power by taking over his body, getting access to both her Ten-Tails' power and the chakra of the world in return.
The thing is, Hagoromo proves to be stronger than this. This is why I said fundamentally, because Madara had a dojutsu Hagoromo did not.
However, Hagoromo had something no one else has, which is pretty much the most OP ability in the series.
Our group's theory is primarily that with all of the different elements combined, Hagoromo almost became omnipotent, relient only on his almost endless chakra to do what he wanted. Far superior to Kaguya, who is basically just massive raw power. Even if Kaguya's raw power at the end of the series is superior to Hagoromo's, his abilities surpass her's, regardless of her form.
Ahh okay so at the point where Hagoromo himself become the Ten Tails Jinchuriki, he then surpassed Hamura and Kaguya?
So technically in his prime, Hagoromo is way stronger than Kaguya was at the end of the manga because of his status as a Jinchuriki. This is making sense now. Just throwing this in, but the reason behind Hagoromo staying peaceful and good natured is because he hadn't eaten the Chakra Fruit like Kaguya right? I'd like to think that if she had never eaten it, that she'd be as benevolent as her sons were.
When it comes to Kaguya's raw power and strategy, can't she pretty much teleport around, use Amenominaka a few times, and cheap shot whoever her opponent may be with the All-Killing Ash Bones? That's a cheap tactic for sure, but it's definitely capable of annihilating anyone. Unless Hagoromo has a technique for countering those moves, then him and Obito might just suffer the same method of death.
But how does Naruto fall into all of this? At the end of the day, isn't Hagoromo at a level Naruto can't reach or won't reach anytime soon? I'm not sure if Naruto can use the Creation of all Things and so on.
The reason Hagoromo was so peaceful is because he had the ability to "understand all things in the universe and chakra". Basically, Hagoromo could learn anything by experiencing it through his body, just like Naruto. With that, Hagoromo used his immense knowledge and wisdom gained through this ability to developed advanced positions on philosophy and peace. His Ninshu teachings were part of that. Unfortunately, as enlightened as the teachings were, the humans of the world were not ready for his teachings.
Hagoromo explains to Naruto that he was deeply hurt by the weaponization of his ninshu into ninjutsu. With his plan ruined he looked to his sons to see the future. Basically, his sons developed two entirely different paths. Indra believed he could use his immense power to force peace on others, basically just like what Kaguya did. However, Hagoromo already knew this didn't last, because once Kaguya was gone, war just continued. Asura had a different path, in that he built connections with others to improve himself, and sought peace through connections and understanding. Hagoromo felt this plan most aligned with his teachings and beliefs, so he chose Asura to be his heir.
Naruto is the modern day Asura. You can see by their interactions that Hagoromo treats Naruto like he probably would have Asura. Entrusting the future and Sasuke's fate to Naruto's wisdom.
The thing is with Hagoromo that most people seem to forget. Was that he had a special ability that just he had, the Creation of All Things. This level of Yin-Yang Release was far beyond anything else, and it allowed Hagoromo to make "anything" out of chakra.
Naruto is at a similar level to Hagoromo, but even if he doesn't have all the same abilities, it is this key technique that makes one at Hagoromo's level. This ability is even superior to the Ten-Tails. The thing is though, is that we have no proof Hagoromo needed the Ten-Tails to use this ability, since the Izanagi, the technique based on Creation of All Things, is sourced in Hagoromo's DNA, not the Ten-Tails' Chakra, the same is true for the Yin-Yang Release. So the ability is not sourced from the Ten-Tails, rather, the Ten-Tails makes it stronger.
Our group's theory is that Hagoromo always had this ability, it was the "perfect Izanagi" that is created from a fusion of Uchiha and Senju DNA that Hagoromo was. Basically, because Izanagi lasts longer when you Hashirama's cells, shows that the closer one gets to Hagoromo's DNA, the more powerful Izanagi becomes.
This is because Creation of All Things is that perfect Izanagi, you could not only use the same effects, but will anything you want into creation with just chakra and no side-effects.
So, how you ask does this make Hagoromo superior to Kaguya? I've always compared Kaguya to a child with a machine gun. She has immense power, but no exactly the skill to use it effectively. Hagoromo is like a soldier with a high-power sniper rifle. Kaguya could kill him if she got close enough, but Hagoromo's sniper rifle would "kill" her before that. The sniper rifle is Creation of All Things. Hagoromo can rip apart the Ten-Tails into pieces to make the Tailed Beasts, so there is really no threat to Hagoromo because Kaguya doesn't have a means to prevent this. Even when she as the Ten-Tails was inside of Hagoromo, she was completely helpless. Hagoromo had her under his complete control.
So, my proposal is that Naruto should be able to use this ability in the future as well. Asura was stated to have the "body" of the Sage, which was then given to Naruto by Hagoromo. The Six Paths Senjutsu Naruto received is also the pure definition of the height of Hagoromo's bodly power. His Rinnegan had nothing to do with his Creation of All Things ability, because it is not a Rinnegan technique. Instead, Hagoromo's jutsu was immense advanced Yin-Yang Release. Both Naruto and Sasuke have the Yin-Yang Release, but only Naruto has the raw chakra to power it.
Ohh so since no one understood or cared for what he sought out to teach, he was like a king or leader with no followers so to speak. Hagoromo was displeased with the conversion of Ninshu into Ninjutsu because he feared that it'd be used for violence when Ninshu is a means of peace and prosperity correct?
Were Indra and Asura destined to be pitted against each other or was it all just because of Black Zetsu's manipulative ways? I wonder what would have happened had it not interfered in the two sons lives.
Wow if it has no side effects, then that just might be the most powerful technique in the series. Naruto is on the ball with that jutsu though, since he can create things out of nothingness right? Like how he gave Kakashi a new eye. Sure it might not be as grand as creating a Tailed Beast but it's a good start, I'd like to think.
That's an amazing observation. I can't even imagine what'd happen or what he'd do, if Naruto ever gained access to the Creation of All Things technique.
Indeed, he did have followers and his teachings did continue to the new era, but people knew him more for creating ninjutsu, which himself denies, saying he never created ninjutsu, those who perverted his ninshu created ninjutsu, while he and his teachings fell into myth and legend. That being said, Hagoromo still knows ninjutsu himself, and is the one that gave everyone the ability to use chakra, so, in a way, he did create ninjutsu.
No, they were rivals from their father's inheritance, but Black Zetsu made it seem like the two wouldn't have fought if it weren't for it's tempting Indra. That, and Hagoromo denied Indra his inheritance, which, based on what he gave Sasuke, was the Six Paths Chakra, Rinnegan, and Six Paths Power.
In that case, Naruto indicated he took "a piece of Kakashi to make the eye", whatever that was supposed to mean.
Correct, it's basically the "God Technique". Theoretically, someone using it should never die because they could just create a new body for themselves out of chakra. Likewise, they would never age or even run out of chakra. After all, if you can create chakra, what's the saying you can't make something more powerful than yourself. Basically, your imagination should be the only real limit.
I like how even though not much is known about the extent of his abilities, that Hagoromo is still regarded as a legend and the most powerful being in ninja history. Like his power even exceeds time itself to the point where he's able to enter the real world again and communicate with whoever he pleases.
Oh alright so them being rivals was already set in stone before Zetsu's doings.
Yeah I wish that was reiterated or explained better. Just like how he saved Guy
So really Naruto and Hagoromo could do anything they put their mind to, literally lol.
Pretty much, in fact, I feel that if he didn't choose to die, he probably never would have. Perhaps he felt the prophecy of Gamamaru was a sign his time was over. Or, he just felt that if he "as a powerful being" would prevent peace from coming. After all, he didn't seem fond of giving someone "all of his power", because Hagoromo said that if someone gets too powerful, then others begin to distrust them. Hence why he probably didn't give the Rinnegan to Asura, even though it was already deciding that Asura would be his heir, and only gave him the Six Paths Senjutsu, which Hagoromo probably thought belonged to him.
Well, traditionally speaking, Indra was to be heir because he was the older brother. So, the brother's weren't true rivals until Asura started getting stronger. Because, logically, in Indra's eyes he was still the clear choice until Asura started catching up to him.
That it was explained that he "reignited" Guy's chakra. Basically he undid the effects of the Eight Gates on Guy's life force, but apparently also couldn't heal his body.
Pretty much, I'm pretty sure Hagoromo could even revive himself if he wanted. Naruto likewise should logically be able to deny death as well if he developed the ability.
So do you think his belief of being so powerful that it prevents peace, is the reason why he wouldn't revive himself in the ninja world today? Like even after the war where almost everything is peaceful.
Ohh okay, I get it now. I guess jealousy took into place just like it did when Sasuke and Naruto fought on the hospital rooftop.
So if someone were extremely low on chakra, he could just touch them and restore their strength?
Hmm, that's a good theory but I'm not sure if Naruto would be the type to want to live forever. Speaking of living forever, isn't that what Sasuke planned on doing if he were to have defeated Naruto in their last fight? Like to make sure his "revolution" carried on as long as possible? I don't get what means he has of being immortal.
Indeed. I believe that's why he felt he needed to split the power between Sasuke and Naruto in order to defeat Madara, rather than just give it all to Naruto. That, and he was hoping giving "Indra" his "inheritance" would change the fate between the two brothers, but it didn't.
Indeed. However, Hagoromo seemed to indicate that their conflict might have happened sooner or late because of their difference in life philosophies. For example, Sasuke was planning on basically going through with Indra's plan to force peace on the world, and Naruto stood in his way. This is probably what would have happened if Indra was given the Rinnegan back in the day as well, Asura would have stood in his way just like Naruto did with Sasuke.
Depends on what you mean by strength. Naruto didn't give Guy all of his chakra back, just enough to keep him from dying. Try to think of it like when Kakashi killed himself using too much chakra, Naruto would have saved Kakashi from dying, but it wouldn't have regenerated all of Kakashi's chakra.
Sasuke was implying he'd use his Rinnegan to complete Orochimaru's Immortality Jutsu. Basically, Sasuke was planning on making himself immortal and being the "Hokage" for all time. That is why Naruto was so against Sasuke's plan, besides the moral implications, Sasuke was simply planning on killing/destroy everything close to him, and live in lonliness for all time. Something Naruto didn't want for him.
Crazy how time repeats itself. I know they're usually destined to be pitted against each other, though.
Ohh alright, yeah by strength I meant like chakra or enough energy etc. to keep breathing.
Oh so with his Rinnegan, Orochimaru's Immortality Jutsu could finally be perfected? Wow, now I see why Naruto wanted to stop him. Living for eternity by yourself just to make sure things go the way only you want them to go sounds tough :/
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Kishimoto pretty much gets off on causing the past to repeat itself, there are so many different kinds of references and duplications of history over and over again. In fact, even the shinobi's cycle of war was supposed to be a duplication of history. It's why Madara felt so helpless inside of the cycle, and why he wanted to "escape it".
I don't quite understand if he could perfect it using the Rinnegan, but he seemed to think he could, and we have no reason to doubt him.
Alright, I'll set up the e-mail sometime today, I have a lot going on, so it might take awhile.
I'm kinda on the fence about the Infinite Tsukuyomi, on one hand, I don't think of it as that bad but on the other, I see why the Shinobi Forces fight against it. I read somewhere that in one of the new Hiden novels, it was explained that even the Infinite Tsukuyomi was dispelled, that the world actually either wanted or needed it. I read that somewhere but I might have missed something, I'll have to look for it.
When you said "Sasuke was simply planning on killing/destroy everything close to him" by everything, do you mean like the Rookie Nine and so on?
In the Hiden novels, there was a piece of the population that preferred the perfect life the Infinite Tsukuyomi, rather than their normal lives. Which makes sense, because not everyone has the will or the means to achieve their dreams. For example, Kiba never became Hokage, in fact, his life isn't nearly as great as it was in the Infinite Tsukuyomi. But accepting that life doesn't go the way you want and being happy with what you have is what it means grow up.
Not really, the Konoha 11 aren't really in "Sasuke's circle" when it comes to what he values. Naruto was the only thing Sasuke felt was tying him down to the current world. Had he killed Naruto, as Sasuke said, he'd be "free".
Oh alright. I see. I don't like how the Anime messed up the interpretation of the Infinite Tsukuyomi. I know it's noncanon but still, there's still violence and death even in their dreams so it makes it look like Project Tsuki no Me was all for nothing.
Well, you have to look at it from a psychology perspective. The mind needs to be "tricked" into accepting the world as real, so some violence is necessary given the nature of the future people desire. The important thing was that it gives the victim exactly what they want.
The "peace" of Infinite Tsukuyomi is a sham. We know that right away, not only is it a fake peace, because the people are just living illusions while their really bodies are slowly killed, but that was never the purpose of Project Tsuki no Me. Obito's point was, but many have reason to think Madara never wanted peace in the first place, because Madara's true desire to was escape the cycle and start over.
Did Madara know that in reality, that everyone would turn into White Zetsu's? I wonder what Madara would have done, had he caught Team 7 in it. Maybe trapped himself in it as well? I'm sure he wouldn't live in solitude for eternity.
Well, remember, Kaguya was going to create a new dimension using the chakra of the Infinite Tsukuyomi. So really, Madara may have just created a new dimension as well. Also, there is no guarantee he wasn't fine living in solitude. There are many villains in games and shows, that are out to kill everyone, simply because they want to. None of them even really explain what they would do afterwards, it's just the insanity of it all. The Curse of Hatred makes people really irrational, Sasuke's plan is also a good example, he pretty much was going to make himself an enemy of the world and fight it for all eternity.
True true. I'm glad the Curse of Hatred can be overcome with a good thrashing/talking to lol. I feel as if Madara's finally went away when he and Hashirama had their final conversation. Either that or he just came to terms with how Hashirama's way of living was better.