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  • Was Kakashi aware that he possessed the Mangekyo Sharingan when he fought Zabuza because he had fainted before Obito slaughtered the Kiri ninja?

    Why didn’t Kakashi put as much effort into Naruto’s training as he did Sasuke’s training? If Naruto had met Jiriyah by chance he wouldn’t have had the Toad Summoning Jutsu, Rasengan, or would he have been aware of Karama’s Chakra.

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    • 1. It's is unknown exactly when Kakashi grasped he had the Mangekyo Sharingan, but I suspect it was only after his fight with Itachi. However, even if he was aware of its presence, it wasn't until Part II that he had the stamina to actually use it. You see, Kakashi awoke the Mangekyo Sharingan before he was physically able to use it. In Part I, even using the Sharingan for a short time extremely exhausted him and bed-rid him. It was only as the series continued that Kakashi's stamina improved to where he could use the Sharingan for an entire fight without exhaustion, and even use his Mangekyo Sharingan. Basically, for most of the series Kakashi is working on his stamina and chakra levels.

      2. The implication is that Sasuke is similar to Kakashi is both personality and skill set. As such, it made much more sense for him to mentor Sasuke than Naruto, because Kakashi knows how he learns. What's more, Kakashi wanted to give Sasuke a means to get stronger so he wouldn't fall to the temptation of Orochimaru, and it almost worked. Unfortunately, Itachi re-appearance undid most of that work, as it showed how far behind Sasuke was, even with Kakashi's special training.

      As for Naruto, Kakashi didn't ignore him. Rather, he requested Ebisu train Naruto instead. The reasoning being that Ebisu is a Tokubetsu Jonin in instruction, so his skills of mentorship are even better than Kakashi's. Kakashi himself even said this, that Ebisu would be a better teacher for Naruto than him. This was mostly because Naruto lacked fundamental skills, and an elite teacher like Ebisu would prove excellent for Naruto.

      It just so happened that Naruto stumbled upon an even better instructor, Jiraiya. Who not only had better teaching skills, but had a similar personality to Naruto which made him a better instructor.

      Basically, Kakashi was doing the best he could for Naruto. Naruto just happened to stumble on to something even better. As for the Summoning Jutsu, Rasengan, and use of Kurama's chakra. The Summoning Jutsu for the toads is something Naruto only could have learned from Jiraiya. The reason the toads were more useful than ninken was because the toads have "large summons", like Gamabunta, that can make excellent use of Kurama's chakra. The Rasengan was a move Kakashi thought was ill-advised to teach Naruto, as we saw during the first time Kakashi saw Naruto do it, because he felt the technique was too dangerous. And finally, remember, Jiraiya was the only one who correctly interpreted Minato's will that Naruto learn how to control Kurama's chakra. Kakashi never sought to help Naruto learn to control the power because it was too dangerous and unnecessary.

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  • It is said that the Sanin graduated the academy at age 6. This implies that they were very talented Shinobi. Why didn’t Jiraiya look very polished during the bell training? He looked more like how Naruto did during his training with Kakashi.

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    • I always wanted to ask you who do you think would win if Hokage Naruto had to fight Hashirama Senju in his prime? It is said that Naruto has surpassed all the previous Hokage, but we never got to see what Hashirama could do really? You’ve probably been asked this a million times. The same with Sasuke and Madara.

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    • You are right, I do get that question a lot. And my answer is usually always the same, "We are not aware of what Hokage Naruto is capable of". We could sit here and debate how strong Hashirama really is, but we don't know how strong Naruto is either.

      Realistically, he is stronger than Hashirama at full power. Hashirama himself admitted he isn't strong enough to face the Ten-Tails' Jinchuriki, but Naruto is strong enough to pressure not only a Ten-Tails' Jinchuriki, but one who is using Infinite Tsukuyomi to harvest chakra.

      Also, Hashirama stated that Naruto had about as much chakra as himself with half of Kurama and Naruto's own supply. Meaning Hashirama = Naruto + Yang Kurama. However, Naruto received Yin Kurama after the war, and what's more, as a teenager, his own chakra levels would have been still developing as well. This means he has at least another Yang Kurama's worth of chakra since he has at least Yin Kurama.

      Since they are both hosts of Asura's chakra, for all we know, Hokage Naruto has as much chakra as Hashirama. Which would mean he has x2 as much since Naruto also has Kurama at his disposal.

      The problem with this is Naruto, as Hokage, simply uses his Jinchuriki forms without reservation, because they are perfectly under his control. So there is no real way to know what his "base" or Sage Mode alone is capable of.

      I see no reason he should be weaker than Hashirama honestly, even if we remove Six Paths Senjutsu from the equation, he should still be stronger purely because he has Kurama at his disposal.

      I would say the only arguement is that Hashirama has Tailed Beast Control abilities via his Wood Release. But the problem with that is the Wood Release, like the Sharingan, only surpresses or aggrevates the chakra in the Perfect Jinchuriki, it can't seal it away. That's why Sasuke couldn't do anything to during their fight, because even if he surpresses Kurama's chakra, it doesn't matter if the seal isn't active. So there's limitations to what "control" does. Even then, I doubt someone with a "controlling" ability can actual compete with a Perfect Jinchuriki. It's like Sasuke with his fight with B, even though he had both the Sharingan and Mangekyo Sharingan, both of which have surpression abilities on par with Wood Release, Sasuke really couldn't do anything against the level of control of a Perfect Jinchuriki.

      I would say the minute Naruto became a Perfect Jinchuriki, he surpassed a lot of the Hokage in that moment. Hashirama and maybe prime Hiruzen are the only ones that I feel still compete at that level.

      As for Sasuke and Madara, if you mean pre-Jinchuriki Madara, Sasuke is "supposed" to be stronger. I say this because Madara and Sasuke are in the same boat ability wise, except Sasuke possesses the mysterious "Six Paths Power" that gives him access to Amenotejikara and the his black Chidori. Seeing as Madara was running away in his Jinchuriki form when fighting that and Naruto, it should become clear that he doesn't match up normally.

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  • Yo, Omega64. Long time no see.

    I dunno if you ever go on the Narutopedia anymore, but recently, there's a topic that discusses wheter Naruto still has SPSM. Long story, short, the OP's main points are:

    • What Naruto showed against Madara before donning the cloak isn't SPSM, but rather a weaker manifestation of Six Paths Senjutsu
    • The cross pupils with no pigmentation are due to Kurama gathering natural energy in Naruto's stead (OP uses VotE2 as the basis for that);
    • After the Fourth Shinobi World War, Naruto used only Kurama Mode with senjutsu.

    I'd like to hear your input of this, if you'd like. I don't plan on using your arguments or anything like that, but I want to hear what you, one of the most knowledgeable Naruto fans, thinks about the matter.

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    • Hey, JOA. Yeah it has been quite a while hasn't it.

      I usually don't involve myself in the arguement debates, because ultimately either nothing gets changed on the site or the admins kind of just pull rank on the topic. That's what caused me to distance myself from the site in general.

      1. Honestly, I don't agree with that, because the chakra cloak is obviously because of Kurama. It's be one thing if something was stated that the Six Paths Sage Mode and Tailed Beast Chakra are linked, but there isn't. Rather it was revealed that the Six Paths Sage Mode is a specialized senjutsu from created from typical senjutsu by Hagoromo. In other words, just like Asura and Hagoromo never had a cloak, I don't see it as being related. The reason they had that appearance was because of Naruto's status as a Jinchuriki and Toad Sage. The eyes may have very well been the mode, and the mode is "stacked" on the Kurama Mode. That is why there is no pigmentation around the yes, because it's essentially his Sage-enhanced Kurama Mode, but a more powerful version.

      2. My issue with that is that senjutsu isn't sourced from Kurama itself. It has to be added seperately. So either it's Sage Mode or Six Paths Sage Mode. As the last showed, after the war, Naruto's Sage Mode Kurama transformation still has the pigmentation. Unless the new series explains why this pigmentation went a way. I would still assume it's Six Paths Senjutsu and thus Six Paths Sage Mode.

      3. Did you mean to say "The Last"? It's true he used it during the war. But if you recall, he used Six Paths Sage Mode against Sasuke, and even made use of gathering nature energy like in a normal Sage Mode.

      Basically, I feel the real question is "why" would Naruto lose it. What reasoning is the site giving to explain why Kishimoto would give Naruto this power and then allow Sasuke to retain all of his?

      I also don't feel the Last is any sort of evidence. Because that's like saying Goku lost the Super Saiyan 3 form just because he stopped using it. Someone restraint is appropriate. As we saw, the battle with Toneri almost destroyed the Moon, so its possible that Naruto held back for the sake of the Moon and those on it, not because he couldn't have done further. Besides, as we saw, Naruto still beat him with limited difficutly.

      People shouldn't get so caught up on the appearance of the cloaks, because as we see with the new manga and the movie, their appearances are constantly changing with no explanation. So either Naruto has more forms than we think, or the illustrator and the author don't care as much about the forms appearances as we do. And I feel it's probably the latter.

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  • Can you please post your relplies here since the old one arived it's limit?

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    • Anime2lover wrote:
      So only martial arts huh?

      Not necessarily, taijutsu is a more generalized form of martial arts, it's basically any form of hand-to-hand combat.

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    • Anime2lover wrote:
      Omega64 wrote:
      Anime2lover wrote:
      Omega64 wrote:
      That's pretty tricky.

      Remember, Kabuto pointed out Hashirama's abilities were not fully understood by others because of their naturally high-level. Meaning his taijutsu could be superior to the others and it wouldn't have been recognized.

      Other than that, Naruto stated that Tobirama was considered the best in taijutsu among the Hokage. Even though Tsunade could probably do more damage, I'd imagine Tobirama just had superior technique.

      It's also something to be said that Hiruzen was able to fight both Tobirama and Hashirama at the same time despite this.

      So, if I had to guess.

      Hashirama is probably #1
      Tobirama is probably #2
      Hiruzen is probably #3
      Tsunade is probably #4
      Minato is probably #5
      Kakashi is probably #6

      Wouldn't FTG rank Minato higher than Tsunade, I mean he can just use that and boom her head is on the ground before she even realizes Minato moved.
      That's not taijutsu though, that's ninjutsu. You can't account for Space-Time Ninjutsu is a taijutsu only comparison.
      What about Shunshin?

      Yeah, that's ninjutsu too. If you have questions about a technique, just check Narutopedia, that will let you know if its taijutsu or not.

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  • Do you think Madara was playing around when he fought Guy? I mean I know he almost died and all, but Madara literally allowed Guy to access the Gate of Death and Madara didn't use Limbo, an attack that would have dealt with Guy very swiftly, once.

    And if Madara at this point is even stronger than Ten-Tails Obito then that just goes to show how much extreme damage he really could've dished out to Guy, had he gone all out during their fight. 

    A parallel for it would be Perfect Cell vs Vegeta. I feel like if Cell and Madara had actually put their full effort into their fights then their opponents would've gotten crushed. Well, Vegeta did get crushed but the same could have happened to Guy right? If not for Kishimoto's writing and him wanting to finally showcase what the Eight Gates are fully capable of.

    What do you think?

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    • I see it like this. Madara wanted to test the power of the Eight Gates because it was such a rare thing to fight against. After all, those who know of the training to achieve the release of the Eight Gates, have the discipline to perform that training, and the dedication to actually do it; are few and far between.

      So, Madara wanted to enjoy it in the best way possible, by fighting with mainly hand-to-hand combat. It wasn't just Limbo, Madara in fact didn't use any ninjutsu or senjutsu during their fight. He only used the Truth-Seeking Balls.

      And yes, you are right, he did almost die from fighting Guy, and it was in part because of this. However, its not like there was a situation where Madara wasn't going to win. As you pointed out, if Madara was serious he would have probably delt with Guy quickly. But that doesn't change the fact he won anyway.

      After all, the most dangerous thing about the Eight Gates is that you, yourself, are essentially defeating yourself. So to beat someone with the Eight Gates, you don't actually have to fight them, just evade them.

      I've been asked if Naruto could beat an Eight Gates Guy, and I stated that if Hokage Naruto knows the Flying Thunder God technique, he would easily win, because all he would have to do is teleport far away from Guy, and Guy would essentially just kill himself.

      However, that doesn't change the fact that is just the sort of thing you expect from Madara's character. He's been like that ever since he's been reanimated. He's pretty much stronger than ever before and he wants to test his strength against others he considers worthy. The only real time you see him ditch a fight is when a window for the progression of his Moon Eye's Plan may be closing. Such as when he stopped pursuing his grudge re-match with Hashirama so he could try and use Obito to revive himself.

      The Moon's Eye Plan was Madara's main goal, but otherwise, he was out to have fun.

      I personally have no grip about the fight or its conclusion. My only complaint would be that Guy didn't die because Naruto used his random Yin-Yang Release ability to "close the gates and reignite the chakra point". However, that's less a complaint about Guy and more a complaint about that ability in general, since its obviously a plot device Kishimoto wanted to imploy to fix things about characters he wanted, while not fixing everything.

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  • I think this is an intresting fight. (Minato can acess KCM and sage mode) what are your thoughts

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    • Why exactly are matching up Minato in that condition? After all, he'd have to be dead for such a match-up to even work, which would imply he was reanimated as well.

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  • Actually, even transforming into the Tailed Beast doesn't actually give you full control. That's actually a false belief held by most in that universe.

    In reality, full "control" isn't obtained until you befriend the beast. Because by befriending the best you can access to the beast's chakra control, so you can do things like Tailed Beast Mode, Version Two, and Tailed Beast Ball; all with ease.

    These are what "Perfect Jinchuriki" are. No matter how strong the seal or how good the chakra control, Jinchuriki can't compete with Perfect Jinchuriki in terms of chakra control.

    When Naruto fights Kurama, he seals him and gets the chakra cloak, even though Kurama is sealed and quite angry at him. Is there a difference between what he did and becoming friends with the bijuu? Do you get more power by befriending it or just more abilities?

    And could a Sharingan user or Rinnegan user control the bijuu and get all the benefits of befriending them?

    Sorry for posting it on your wall, i can't add more than one comment for some reason.

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    • He was indeed caught, but Orochimaru>Naruto. And if Naruto could escape by turning into a naked woman, Orochimaru can think of something.

      Yeah, but Obito was kinda cringy. A thirty years old man going around talking about Rin was hard to watch. And i could make him more mature regardless of age, but then his relationship with Naruto would change drastically. In one he is a naive kid who is commiting evil deeds to get a good ending, while in the other he is someone who can actually turn the world into a peaceful utopia with no contradiction to his arguments. Wether i want him to succeed in taking over the world or be talk no jutsu'd by Naruto will determine wether he is naive or not, wether he is more preocupied with revenge or getting peace, wether he is willing to do anything for his goal or has lines he won't cross even if not crossing them may cost his goal because he knows a peace aquired trhough evil deeds cannot be sustained and it will never be true peace.

      I say all that, but a character's age doesn't really makes him less naive.

      By stasis, do you mean like Captain America? Those are some good ideas, though the Nagato one won't work because he wouldn't have much time to get stronger and put his plan into motion. Unless he moves the plan foward after the war, but he wouldn't feel the need to considering Naruto's moderated peace. The first one is actually viable, he can be frozen before Naruto is born and reanimated when Naruto is still a kid(about 8 years old) and still have time to put his plan into motion.

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    • You're missing the point. Your arguement was that Orochimaru should be able to sneak it because Naruto did, but Naruto didn't he was caught. So the defense isn't as weak as you seem to think. What's more, that was a gag, and I'd imagine it wasn't seen as a big deal because Naruto wasn't even a Genin, so him having the scroll wasn't that dangerous. It's why Hiruzen kind of just gave him a slap on the wrist, that and because he was being manipulated by Mizuki the entire time. Despite the scroll having probably the most dangerous jutsu in the village, because it was Naruto, they didn't treat it like that big of a deal.

      True, but that doesn't change the fact that as far as the story goes, it did make sense and did happen. You'd be surprised what Naruto fans accept. I never wanted Obito to be Tobi, although I knew he would be because Kishimoto was quite predictable back in those days.

      Exactly, it's just in Naruto, isolated or immature feelings make more sense when you take the individual away from regular society. It's why Obito and Pain's behavior made more sense, because you remove them from those who would critize their way of thinking. As opposed to Naruto, who always got slapped and corrected whenever he started thinking wrongly about a topic.

      It's up to you, man. It's your story. I'm just giving suggestions. Besides, it depends on how strong you want him. Technically, about half a year skipped between the Invasion of Pain and the war, because we can track the time lapse between Naruto's return and the Invasion, but it speeds up rapidly before the war because we suddenly turn back into October despite just passing it.

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  • Hello Omega64 i am Bunnyamin. I will request some help from you. I would like to know whether you think Naruto as an anime makes sense or not to start with. I mean do you think the things happrning really are possible like me? I mean they really are pretty quite real. What is your thinking? Please and thanks.

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    • It's not just called Chi. The "power within" is called many things by many different series. Dragon Ball Z for example calls it "ki", or just "energy".

      It's a common shonen trope, but Naruto is one of the few to put that much detail into it.

      That's mostly because of the amount of research Kishimoto did trying to fit his series with the actual history of the shinobi.

      But you're right, the pathway system and the energy components are real life concepts. However, the actual wielding of that chakra for jutsu is pure fiction.

      Still, that doesn't quite understand what you are needing from me. You already seem to understand the real life and fictional comparison. What are you asking?

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    • The thing i asked was the energy componentsand the chakra system. Yes i already kind of understood it, even so i wanted to correct my sayings with a person like you who knows well about the series. Thanks man. And by the way i don't agree with you when it comes to the part of wielding chakra. I made pretty researches on this subject and i witnessed many things direclty or else. The Human who we know in real life is really capable of that. However the process is demanding amd requires a still mind and a healthy body. And requires caring about many things materially and spiritually. I can give you examples if you want to read. And thanks for your interest i admire your feeling of responsibility and sensitiveness. Thanks...

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  • Whatproves asuma and kurenai were married in the retsu no sho databook? Could you send a scan of it as well so I can see it?

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    • If I recall, she is listed as Kurenai Sarutobi in the Retsu no Sho, hence, they were married.

      Besides, it doesn't really matter, she was shown with a marriage ring in the manga, so it was revealed they were married before the Retsu no Sho anyway. It just wasn't confirmed she took his surname until the Retsu no Sho. Which isn't that surprising, since her and Asuma seemed to have kept the marriage secret until Asuma's death.

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  • How would you rank the Yonko with Luffy now unofficially considered the 5th Emporer?

    Can you affectively consider Luffy as powerful as the others not necessarily as a combatant but because of his much smaller crew?

    Why isn't Mihawk considered a Yonko he is viewed on the same level?

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    • Would it have been a stretch to say that Luffy was the reason the Marines almost lost the paramount war, despite being out of his depth?

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    • Yeah, I think that would be a stretch.

      His determination did have a strong effect on the Whitebeard's morale though, which was the reason Whitebeard wanted to make sure he stayed safe, because he noticed the effect Luffy's drive was having on his men.

      Of course, it was because of the forces Luffy brought from Impel Down, namely Inazuma and Mr. 3, that Luffy was able to get to Ace and free him in the first place. So I guess an arguement could be made that the marines almost failed because of this, because without Luffy Ace probably would have been executed when the pirates were all in the plaza, since Luffy was the one to use Conqueror's Haki in that instant to save Ace.

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