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Omega64

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  • If you were a rival Kage and you had to kill Hashirama Senju how would you go about doing it? You could have any jutsu except Hashirama’s own at your disposal also.

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    • Well, you know from the fact that Hashirama was so above every Kage of his time he would never be beaten by one of them 1-on-1.

      Of course, that's not to say it's impossible. There are plenty of jutsu that would kill a person like Hashirama regardless of his strength. It's just a question whether Hashirama, who total skill set is unknown, can counter certain deadly jutsu or not.

      Of course, jutsu of significant power, like Deidara's C0 would probably be your best bet, but there is always a chance he could whether the explosion or not. That is the problem with Wood Release as it essentially becomes a battle of who has the stronger chakra.

      So, one has to accept probably the most dependable jutsu would be something like Deidara's C4, which can kill a person regardless of chakra. Still, there's always a chance since Hashirama has Lightning Release and sensing abilities via Sage Mode than he could disarm them.

      So, ultimately, I feel if I was a rival Kage I'd kill Hashirama not with jutsu or in a 1-on-1 fight, but how he probably was actually killed, by swarming him with thousands of shinobi.

      Remember, Hashirama is an idealist and a pacifist. So even though he could easily kill an army of shinobi, his ideals to try and end war peacefully will cause him to exhaust himself trying to protect his allies and defeat his enemies without killing them. So, honestly, if it were me, I'd use Hashirama's personality against him, it's the most effective way to bring him down.

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  • Could rock Lee have scored a killing blow on Gara during there match if he used Kunai or a sword?

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    • Probably not. The whole issue with Lee fighting Gaara, was that Lee didn't have any techniques that could completely destroy Gaara's Sand Armor.

      Even his high-speed Strong Fist movements with his weights removed only cracked and chipped the armor, his Primary Lotus Gaara simple substituted out of, and the Hidden Lotus was simply withstood.

      So a sword, even one at highspeed, won't have really done any good.

      It's why Might Guy was suspicious of why Kakashi had Sasuke copy Lee's taijutsu when Lee's taijutsu isn't enough to get past Gaara's armor. When in reality, it's because Kakashi needed Sasuke to get fast enough to use a weapon that could get past the armor, the Chidori.

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  • It's been a while, thought I'll pop by and say hello :D.

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    • It certainly has been a while. I hope you are doing well.

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    • I'm all good. :D I believe I have been away from wikia since Janurary but have now decided tp come back after a long hiatus. 

      How are you these days, have I missed much around here?

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    • Not really, I've been very busy, so I don't have as much time for the site as I had in the past. Fortunately, or rather unfortunately I guess, the site's activity is also slowing down, so I don't need to be do that much to keep it up to date.

      People are still asking questions here and there, but its far and away from what we had 1-2 years ago.

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  • Hey, thanks for replying to my Kashin Koji message. I see what you mean, I guess it would be more feasible for him to be a clone rather than Jiraiya's son etc.

    A while ago, I think it was you or some other admin that made an analogy of Naruto and Sasuke. The topic was "who is stronger" and someone pointed out that it was either a stalemate battle or that Naruto was stronger. But the main thing that got my attention was the analogy that those two fighting was like a warrior vs an assassin. 

    I'm almost positive that it was you that said that. I'd like to read the post the again, is there any way you might have a link to it? Or if you have the time, maybe summarize what you remember of that analogy? Thank you

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    • I'm sorry, but that's not enough for me to be able to look up the discussion. If you had who the discussion was with, I might be able to do something.

      Of course, I remember the nature of the discussion, because I've had it many times.

      It was the fact that while Sasuke cannot be said to surpass Naruto in the raw strength category, as Naruto has him utterly outclasses in terms of chakra and physical strength, Sasuke has prevalent speed skills. Some of which surpass Naruto's. Namely, his own speed can match Six Paths Sage Mode and he can further increase it using Lightning Release. He also can use Space-Time Ninjutsu to get the jump on his enemies even further.

      The reason this doesn't give him an edge on Naruto is because of Naruto's reflexes and sensing abilities. Although it wasn't shown well in the anime fight, in the manga it was shown that Naruto not only had the reflexes to sense Sasuke behind him with a Chidori after teleporting behind him with Amenotejikara, but he actually had the speed to turn around, register the threat, and dodge it.

      Otherwise, in a normal fight, Sasuke's speed is devastating. So it is more like Naruto is an invincible warrior while Sasuke is an undetectable assassin, a shadow.

      So the two fighting becomes a little tricky, because while Sasuke's couldn't overpower Naruto, he could still really give him a run for his money, mainly due to the speed situation.

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    • It is stated that Neji learned a lot of the Hyuga Clan techniques on his own. How does this work?

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    • Theoretically, he probably re-invented them. Remember, Neji is a genius, even by Hyuga standards.

      Odds are he probably also saw the techniques practiced, since it was stated he would sit in on Hinata's practice sessions and act as a sparing partner in his youth.

      The thing was, these techniques are usually taught solely to the Main Family's househould. So regardless of what method Neji used, it was the only way he was able to learn those technique.

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  • How was Himawari able to knock out a Hokage Naruto,but Neji’s assault during his match with Naruto could not?

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    • Omega64 wrote: Not at all, it's obvious planned. Naruto essentially worked his way up the shinobi hierarchy, both in rank and in terms of power.

      Since he was fighting the strongest Genin, it only made sense he'd face the stronger Konoha Genin, a Hyuga Genin, Neji. And Sasuke and his are as Tobi pointed out, pretty much predestined to fight. What's more, it made sense his battles would include a match against the strongest Konoha Missing-nin, Madara. Finally, the Rinnegan being in his sibling students possession and him having to fight him was part of that whole "graduation" sort of sub-arc the Invasion of Pain presented. Not only was Naruto avenging Jiraiya, but he was also establishing himself as the strongest of Jiraiya's students, even stronger than Jiraiya himself.

      Probably not. Naruto is unique qualified because he was both a Jinchuriki, Perfect Jinchuriki, and a Sage. Jinchuriki have an easier time against the Byakugan because they can force their tenketsu open with extreme chakra and heal any internal damage. Perfect Jinchuriki have an easier time against the Sharingan because the Tailed Beast can break genjutsu, they also are some of the only beings that can rival the Perfect Susano'o raw power. And a Sage is best suited for fighting the Rinnegan, because as Naruto showed, if you can't multiple your senses and battle prowess among six bodies like the Six Paths of Pain, empowering yourself to overpower all six is the next best thing.

      Graduation?

      Plus, would it be easier to say that he became the ultimate natural enemy of the three great dojustu?

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    • So to speak, a sucession, of the apprentice succeeding the master. You see Naruto graduate from his apprenticeship, not only becoming a superior shinobi and Sage than Jiraiya, but also taking up his master's dreams. Namely his dream to rid the world of hatred and let the people live in peace.

      Well, I don't think I'd go that far. Just because he can resist some of the more powerful abilities, doesn't mean he is an "ultimate natural enemy". If that was the case, then Sasuke, who uses both Rinnegan and Sharingan, wouldn't be able to be considered his rival.

      I see it more as he is a code match for them. A foil so to speak.

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  • After reading the latest chapter of Boruto, I really think Kashin Koji is Jiraiya, or some incarnation of him. Maybe even his son or former disciple. But out of all those, him actually being Jiraiya interests me the most. Kashin being his son is kind of a stretch.

    Do you think it's possible that after his talk with Naruto, that Nagato revived Jiraiya when he revived everyone else in the village? I don't know, maybe after being brought back Jiraiya reflected heavily on how his former students turned out and that triggered some type of depression or something, then eventually he stumbled upon Kara.

    But what do you think?

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    • First, it's impossible for it to actually be Jiraiya, since Kabuto pointed out his body was lost at the bottom of the sea around Amegakure under pressure so great not even Manda II could reach him to allow Kabuto to access his DNA. Unless someone scoped the body while it was sinking or actually endured the pressure to retrieve the corpse. Logically, since the body sunk that deep that Kabuto couldn't find it, it would make sense that it didn't decompose very fast, because a corpse will decompse slower underwater than it would in the air.

      If Nagato did bring Jiraiya back, he'd just die again. What's more, as seen with Obito, it's very stressful to just bring back one person if they've been dead an extremely long time. So the likelihood that Nagato revived Jiraiya, who was about a months time dead, on top of everyone else who was a few hours dead, I feel is extremely unlikely.

      Finally, I really hope it isn't Jiraiya, because it would needlessly complicate the nature of his death and the impact it created.

      Needless to say, there's heavily implied to be a relationship there. Still, even with the mask, it's clear that Koji is far too young to be Jiraiya himself. Also, I doubt given Jiraiya's life-long love for Tsunade that he would have a child. A former disciple is possible, but the fact he seems to be about Naruto's age is sort of odd, give Jiraiya was so focused on studying Orochimaru's movements, it doesn't seem to be a proper time for a student unless it happened at the same time as Naruto.

      Now, with the dawn of the kind of genetic engineering and bio-engineering that we are seeing in Boruto, it is possible it is a clone of sorts, similar to Mitsuki. He seems to be around the same age as "Log", who is an older form of Mitsuki, so it's possible Jigen or another member of Kara could have retrieved the DNA of Jiraiya from another source and used Orochimaru's cloning method to make Koji.

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  • Was Kakashi aware that he possessed the Mangekyo Sharingan when he fought Zabuza because he had fainted before Obito slaughtered the Kiri ninja?

    Why didn’t Kakashi put as much effort into Naruto’s training as he did Sasuke’s training? If Naruto had met Jiriyah by chance he wouldn’t have had the Toad Summoning Jutsu, Rasengan, or would he have been aware of Karama’s Chakra.

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    • 1. It's is unknown exactly when Kakashi grasped he had the Mangekyo Sharingan, but I suspect it was only after his fight with Itachi. However, even if he was aware of its presence, it wasn't until Part II that he had the stamina to actually use it. You see, Kakashi awoke the Mangekyo Sharingan before he was physically able to use it. In Part I, even using the Sharingan for a short time extremely exhausted him and bed-rid him. It was only as the series continued that Kakashi's stamina improved to where he could use the Sharingan for an entire fight without exhaustion, and even use his Mangekyo Sharingan. Basically, for most of the series Kakashi is working on his stamina and chakra levels.

      2. The implication is that Sasuke is similar to Kakashi is both personality and skill set. As such, it made much more sense for him to mentor Sasuke than Naruto, because Kakashi knows how he learns. What's more, Kakashi wanted to give Sasuke a means to get stronger so he wouldn't fall to the temptation of Orochimaru, and it almost worked. Unfortunately, Itachi re-appearance undid most of that work, as it showed how far behind Sasuke was, even with Kakashi's special training.

      As for Naruto, Kakashi didn't ignore him. Rather, he requested Ebisu train Naruto instead. The reasoning being that Ebisu is a Tokubetsu Jonin in instruction, so his skills of mentorship are even better than Kakashi's. Kakashi himself even said this, that Ebisu would be a better teacher for Naruto than him. This was mostly because Naruto lacked fundamental skills, and an elite teacher like Ebisu would prove excellent for Naruto.

      It just so happened that Naruto stumbled upon an even better instructor, Jiraiya. Who not only had better teaching skills, but had a similar personality to Naruto which made him a better instructor.

      Basically, Kakashi was doing the best he could for Naruto. Naruto just happened to stumble on to something even better. As for the Summoning Jutsu, Rasengan, and use of Kurama's chakra. The Summoning Jutsu for the toads is something Naruto only could have learned from Jiraiya. The reason the toads were more useful than ninken was because the toads have "large summons", like Gamabunta, that can make excellent use of Kurama's chakra. The Rasengan was a move Kakashi thought was ill-advised to teach Naruto, as we saw during the first time Kakashi saw Naruto do it, because he felt the technique was too dangerous. And finally, remember, Jiraiya was the only one who correctly interpreted Minato's will that Naruto learn how to control Kurama's chakra. Kakashi never sought to help Naruto learn to control the power because it was too dangerous and unnecessary.

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  • It is said that the Sanin graduated the academy at age 6. This implies that they were very talented Shinobi. Why didn’t Jiraiya look very polished during the bell training? He looked more like how Naruto did during his training with Kakashi.

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    • I always wanted to ask you who do you think would win if Hokage Naruto had to fight Hashirama Senju in his prime? It is said that Naruto has surpassed all the previous Hokage, but we never got to see what Hashirama could do really? You’ve probably been asked this a million times. The same with Sasuke and Madara.

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    • You are right, I do get that question a lot. And my answer is usually always the same, "We are not aware of what Hokage Naruto is capable of". We could sit here and debate how strong Hashirama really is, but we don't know how strong Naruto is either.

      Realistically, he is stronger than Hashirama at full power. Hashirama himself admitted he isn't strong enough to face the Ten-Tails' Jinchuriki, but Naruto is strong enough to pressure not only a Ten-Tails' Jinchuriki, but one who is using Infinite Tsukuyomi to harvest chakra.

      Also, Hashirama stated that Naruto had about as much chakra as himself with half of Kurama and Naruto's own supply. Meaning Hashirama = Naruto + Yang Kurama. However, Naruto received Yin Kurama after the war, and what's more, as a teenager, his own chakra levels would have been still developing as well. This means he has at least another Yang Kurama's worth of chakra since he has at least Yin Kurama.

      Since they are both hosts of Asura's chakra, for all we know, Hokage Naruto has as much chakra as Hashirama. Which would mean he has x2 as much since Naruto also has Kurama at his disposal.

      The problem with this is Naruto, as Hokage, simply uses his Jinchuriki forms without reservation, because they are perfectly under his control. So there is no real way to know what his "base" or Sage Mode alone is capable of.

      I see no reason he should be weaker than Hashirama honestly, even if we remove Six Paths Senjutsu from the equation, he should still be stronger purely because he has Kurama at his disposal.

      I would say the only arguement is that Hashirama has Tailed Beast Control abilities via his Wood Release. But the problem with that is the Wood Release, like the Sharingan, only surpresses or aggrevates the chakra in the Perfect Jinchuriki, it can't seal it away. That's why Sasuke couldn't do anything to during their fight, because even if he surpresses Kurama's chakra, it doesn't matter if the seal isn't active. So there's limitations to what "control" does. Even then, I doubt someone with a "controlling" ability can actual compete with a Perfect Jinchuriki. It's like Sasuke with his fight with B, even though he had both the Sharingan and Mangekyo Sharingan, both of which have surpression abilities on par with Wood Release, Sasuke really couldn't do anything against the level of control of a Perfect Jinchuriki.

      I would say the minute Naruto became a Perfect Jinchuriki, he surpassed a lot of the Hokage in that moment. Hashirama and maybe prime Hiruzen are the only ones that I feel still compete at that level.

      As for Sasuke and Madara, if you mean pre-Jinchuriki Madara, Sasuke is "supposed" to be stronger. I say this because Madara and Sasuke are in the same boat ability wise, except Sasuke possesses the mysterious "Six Paths Power" that gives him access to Amenotejikara and the his black Chidori. Seeing as Madara was running away in his Jinchuriki form when fighting that and Naruto, it should become clear that he doesn't match up normally.

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  • Yo, Omega64. Long time no see.

    I dunno if you ever go on the Narutopedia anymore, but recently, there's a topic that discusses wheter Naruto still has SPSM. Long story, short, the OP's main points are:

    • What Naruto showed against Madara before donning the cloak isn't SPSM, but rather a weaker manifestation of Six Paths Senjutsu
    • The cross pupils with no pigmentation are due to Kurama gathering natural energy in Naruto's stead (OP uses VotE2 as the basis for that);
    • After the Fourth Shinobi World War, Naruto used only Kurama Mode with senjutsu.

    I'd like to hear your input of this, if you'd like. I don't plan on using your arguments or anything like that, but I want to hear what you, one of the most knowledgeable Naruto fans, thinks about the matter.

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    • Hey, JOA. Yeah it has been quite a while hasn't it.

      I usually don't involve myself in the arguement debates, because ultimately either nothing gets changed on the site or the admins kind of just pull rank on the topic. That's what caused me to distance myself from the site in general.

      1. Honestly, I don't agree with that, because the chakra cloak is obviously because of Kurama. It's be one thing if something was stated that the Six Paths Sage Mode and Tailed Beast Chakra are linked, but there isn't. Rather it was revealed that the Six Paths Sage Mode is a specialized senjutsu from created from typical senjutsu by Hagoromo. In other words, just like Asura and Hagoromo never had a cloak, I don't see it as being related. The reason they had that appearance was because of Naruto's status as a Jinchuriki and Toad Sage. The eyes may have very well been the mode, and the mode is "stacked" on the Kurama Mode. That is why there is no pigmentation around the yes, because it's essentially his Sage-enhanced Kurama Mode, but a more powerful version.

      2. My issue with that is that senjutsu isn't sourced from Kurama itself. It has to be added seperately. So either it's Sage Mode or Six Paths Sage Mode. As the last showed, after the war, Naruto's Sage Mode Kurama transformation still has the pigmentation. Unless the new series explains why this pigmentation went a way. I would still assume it's Six Paths Senjutsu and thus Six Paths Sage Mode.

      3. Did you mean to say "The Last"? It's true he used it during the war. But if you recall, he used Six Paths Sage Mode against Sasuke, and even made use of gathering nature energy like in a normal Sage Mode.

      Basically, I feel the real question is "why" would Naruto lose it. What reasoning is the site giving to explain why Kishimoto would give Naruto this power and then allow Sasuke to retain all of his?

      I also don't feel the Last is any sort of evidence. Because that's like saying Goku lost the Super Saiyan 3 form just because he stopped using it. Someone restraint is appropriate. As we saw, the battle with Toneri almost destroyed the Moon, so its possible that Naruto held back for the sake of the Moon and those on it, not because he couldn't have done further. Besides, as we saw, Naruto still beat him with limited difficutly.

      People shouldn't get so caught up on the appearance of the cloaks, because as we see with the new manga and the movie, their appearances are constantly changing with no explanation. So either Naruto has more forms than we think, or the illustrator and the author don't care as much about the forms appearances as we do. And I feel it's probably the latter.

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  • Can you please post your relplies here since the old one arived it's limit?

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    • Anime2lover wrote:
      So only martial arts huh?

      Not necessarily, taijutsu is a more generalized form of martial arts, it's basically any form of hand-to-hand combat.

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    • Anime2lover wrote:
      Omega64 wrote:
      Anime2lover wrote:
      Omega64 wrote:
      That's pretty tricky.

      Remember, Kabuto pointed out Hashirama's abilities were not fully understood by others because of their naturally high-level. Meaning his taijutsu could be superior to the others and it wouldn't have been recognized.

      Other than that, Naruto stated that Tobirama was considered the best in taijutsu among the Hokage. Even though Tsunade could probably do more damage, I'd imagine Tobirama just had superior technique.

      It's also something to be said that Hiruzen was able to fight both Tobirama and Hashirama at the same time despite this.

      So, if I had to guess.

      Hashirama is probably #1
      Tobirama is probably #2
      Hiruzen is probably #3
      Tsunade is probably #4
      Minato is probably #5
      Kakashi is probably #6

      Wouldn't FTG rank Minato higher than Tsunade, I mean he can just use that and boom her head is on the ground before she even realizes Minato moved.
      That's not taijutsu though, that's ninjutsu. You can't account for Space-Time Ninjutsu is a taijutsu only comparison.
      What about Shunshin?

      Yeah, that's ninjutsu too. If you have questions about a technique, just check Narutopedia, that will let you know if its taijutsu or not.

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