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Omega64

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June 2, 2013
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  • Hi. Omega

    I'm new in this wikia though i spend a lot of time in it.

    so, i think kirin role in this wikia is more then a cleaner, i want see him as a SYSOP.

    Becuase him blog's are awesome,  Maybe i said more but i really apriciate his role in this wikia

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    • As much as I appreciate your opinion, I really don't have any control over who is a Systems Operator or not. Only our Bureaucrat has that level of authority.

      You see, originally this site had three Sysops and a Wiki Cleaner, then I joined the site. I became a Wiki Cleaner and then was promoted to Sysop. I promoted Kirin to Wiki Cleaner, but then our Bureaucrat decided that we should eliminate the Cleaner Group, so know only our four Sysops remain.

      If there was more traffic on the site, I might be more pushy about making him a Sysop, but the numbers just aren't there. I had to severely out perform my fellow editors to have myself promoted, because our Bureaucrat even doubted the need for four Sysops, let alone five.

      So, all in all, if one of our Sysops resigned, I would push for Kirin, but that is most likely not going to happen, because only one of us is really in a position to even maybe consider resigning due to lack of activity.

      Also, there is a lot of background stuff that needs to happen to keep this site rolling, stuff Kirin isn't very experienced with. Its not like he couldn't learn, its just I don't really think its what he really wanted to do here.

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    • I really appreciate your support Clash.Bikash, and I'm honored that you think me capable enough of becoming a Sysop.

      However, what Omega said was pretty spot on. There's no real need for anymore Sysops at the moment, and so it wouldn't really make a big difference. Nowadays, there aren't many new questions being asked and so there's not as much to maintain as in the past. There are rarely daily visitors the the wiki at this point- the only ones I can think of are myself, Omega, Jacce, and Justin. It's my hope that maybe the community may be revived once the miniseries starts in April. 

      As Omega said, I'm not really too adapt with the technology associated with this promotion anyways. For the brief time I was a Wiki Cleaner, I tried to use those programs to help improve the wiki, and I couldn't even figure that out. I swear I was meant to live in the 80s. 

      If there was ever a need for a new Sysop and I was called upon, I would be happy to accept it and learn how to use the software. But as of this moment, things are pretty good as they are right now.

      But once again, thanks for all of your support and hopefully you'll stick around for awhile! :D

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  • My good friend Shakhmoot over at Narutopedia found out when the miniseries is starting. Here is the post verbatim-

    From 2ch manga forums, it's been stated that in the next Weekly Shonen Jump issue (#18) which will be released unofficially this Thursday that it has a preview for issue #22-23 which will be released in the Golden Week (Last week of April) that Naruto Gaiden (ナルト外伝) series will have a lead colour and cover in that issue. More information will be available in this week. Source

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    • Two things I hope to accomplish with this message- 

      1. Have you seen this? What do you think about this?

      2. This one is more of a "check-up"/request. Since we now have a date for the miniseries, I am optimistic that the community will be temporarily revived at this time. Not only am I referring to old users returning (after all, I'm also planning on reviving the weekly discussions), but I also think a lot more questions will start being asked once more. With that said, we're not going to have as much time for other things. With that said, now I really want to get back to our discussion- do you have an estimate for when you'll be able to get back to it? Would this weekend work (that's the best case scenario for my schedule)?

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    • i'm too exicted about miniserise thanks for MSG.

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  • Hi.. Omega64 i really like your's, karin, mecha and jacce

    Naruto
    most of the answer in this wiki.....

    Keep going

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  • I checked the last message, and it's been over a month since we last talked in-depth; now I'm definitely eager to get started again!

    This is a continuation of this thread, as well as this blog (I'll be sure to point out which parts come from which in case you want to check the original source, as I'll mostly just be summarizing everything).

    Due to time constraints on your part, as well as because the previous thread was getting pretty long, this is the third thread dedicated to our discussion about the series. With that said, I'll basically be taking most of the topics/questions I think can lead to an interesting discussion from the two sources, and posting them here for you to see all in one place. With that said, here you go-

    Foreword- for some of these, it might be better to go to the original post to understand exactly what I'm talking about. For each one I think you may need some background knowledge, I'll mention it.

    I. Questions/Topics From Discussion #2:

    • How do you feel about Naruto not having too many unique/dynamic techniques besides clones, Rasengans/Rasenshurikens, and Tailed Beast skills (I mentioned this when I was talking about how it was difficult to come up with ideas for what Naruto could do in filler scenes for the final battle)?
    • During the other discussion, you said somewhere that Naruto was at 11% when he fought Sasuke- where did you get such a low number from? Also, what percentage do you think Sasuke was at that time (I have my own ideas for both of them)?
    • How different do you think the fight would have turned out if Naruto and Sasuke were at full strength/completely mastered their new abilities (again, I have my own ideas that I'll write in the response)?
    • As Sasuke said they would have their "real fight" another time at the end of 699, do you think we may see a little skirmish in the miniseries? I can even imagine that the last time we see their characters is when they're about to have rivalry match like Kakashi and Guy, and it cuts away before we see the fight. I think that would be the perfect way to see them one last time in the miniseries...
    • With a 10-15 year time gap, about how much powerful do you think Naruto and Sasuke have become by the miniseries? Also, do you have any interesting ideas about any collaboration attacks they may be able to pull off together?
    • Speaking of collaboration attacks, what did you think of their teamwork dynamic during the Kaguya battle (I have my own thoughts for later)? Also, anything else about the Kaguya fight you liked (besides what you mentioned on the other thread, which wasn't much)? Also, everything after the sealing (690-700)- yay or nay?
    • I went into a long spiel about Sasuke's Rinnegan, but I don't feel the need to rewrite it all again. However, what I will ask you about is your impression of Sasuke's Rinnegan- along with your thoughts, how do you think it compares to the normal two-eye Rinnegan?
    • Referring to your list of strongest characters- what made you put Rinnegan Sasuke above Rikudo Madara (as that one surprised me pretty much)? Also, do you think it's possible Rikudo Madara was more powerful than Hagoromo (I believe he was, which I will explain)?
    • Anything you are expecting/absolutely want to see from the miniseries?
    • This is going back from a while ago, but I noticed it while reading through all of those responses. I asked you which fight you like more- Naruto vs. Sasuke Part I or II- and why; however, nothing really came from it, and so I'm just bringing it up here again. Which one do you like more, and why?

    II. Questions/Topics From Otsutsuki Blog:

    1. Original Discussion Portion-

    • Do you think the next transmigrants are determined from the minute they are born, or do you think they become the reincarnates later based on their choices in life?
    • What is the most disappointing element of Kaguya's character for you?
    • Why do you think Kaguya acted almost like she was mentally challenged (as she couldn't think for herself and needed Black Zetsu's help for everything), and why do you think Kishimoto decided to portray her like this?
    • Before I move on, I wrote a really good response to something we were talking about in the comments, and we just never got back to it. It's really long, but I think I have a lot of things that can present an interesting discussion. So with that, I'm just going to post it all (I apologize for the length)-

    I had a strong distaste of having Naruto actually being Hagoromo's reincarnate, as I think it would have put his character on such a pedestal that it would make his character a lot worse than what people were already criticizing him for (and keep in mind, I actually like the character of Naruto- had Naruto actually been Hagoromo's reincarnation, I think my enjoyment of Naruto's character might have dwindled severely). Naruto being Asura's reincarnate would have led to a complete barrier between the reader and the character of Naruto. One of the most engaging parts about the series is that he was often stated that Naruto was a very relateable character that the readers could relate to. By making Naruto the reincarnation of someone who is often regarded as the god of the Narutoverse (though now we know that's actually more Kaguya as opposed to Hagoromo), it would create a complete isolated feeling as no reader can relate to a god. However, by making Naruto the reincarnate of Asura, that's no longer the case, as Asura is not a god and neither is Indra (while they both may be powerful as holy hell, they're still no where near Hagoromo's level). I think there is often a lot of confusion about what exactly this reincarnation cycle means. Naruto and Sasuke did not gain the powers of Asura and Indra, but it's more like their life stories are fated to follow a similar story that both Asura and Indra lived their lives (though we obviously know that's not the case, as they managed to break the cycle after their final battle). You see, by saying that, it means that Naruto still had to live the same life and endure the same hardships he faced because Asura was tasked with the exact same challenges. It's almost like a mirror image- whatever path Asura led, Naruto was destined to do the same thing (though I use the word "destined" very loosely, as I still feel like Naruto, as well as Sasuke, had complete control over his life- though I've already explained this before). That's why I often don't understand why people saying Naruto being the reincarnate of Asura makes him unrelatable- how? Asura was not a god, and even if he was, Naruto did not inherit Asura's power, but more of his life path. But back to the original topic, I could not say the same thing for if Naruto was Hagoromo's reincarnate, as the situation would be entirely different. As a summary, here is the major point- Naruto being Asura's reincarnate humanizes Naruto's character more, while it would have been the complete opposite if he was Hagoromo's reincarnation.

    The final battle with Sasuke was also another reason why I like this change so much more. As you said, if Naruto was Hagoromo's reincarnate and Sasuke was just a normal shinobi, then there would be no reason to have a battle. By making both Naruto and Sasuke the reincarnates of Hagoromo's children (which again, humanizes both characters more because they aren't reincarnations of a god) and adding the added back story of a feud between brothers, it makes the prospects of the final fight way more interesting than if Naruto was the next Sage of Six Paths and completely fodderized Sasuke the entire battle. Though it was already obvious that Naruto would win their final fight since he's the main character, there was still a lot more tension and suspense during the battle (though I'm still arguing that Naruto "won the war, not the fight" because of how he ended up, but I brought that up on the other discussion and I'll respond to and debate that further there when I have the time).

    Finally, we come to Naruto and Sasuke's powers at the latter half of the series. First and foremost, I wholeheartedly agree that the manner in which they obtained/used their powers can come off as BS simply because of their status. However, it was always going to be like this and I don't know how it could have been changed. The only possibilities I can think of is if Naruto was using Tailed Beast Mode at the beginning of the War as opposed to the end and then having Six Paths Sage Mode being added on top of it, and also by having Sasuke somehow obtain the Rinnegan prior to meeting Hagoromo so he could learn to use it more proficiently than he did at during the last three battles of the series. But moving on, I also believe that Naruto and Sasuke have worked so hard to become as powerful as they were by the time they met Hagoromo that I believe they earned those power ups (and yes, Sasuke did work hard for his powers- many disagree, but if you'd like, I can explain my argument in full detail with another comment). I believe in the rewards system, and since Naruto and Sasuke worked so hard (probably harder than a lot of others, though I do respect characters like Sakura for becoming so powerful on their own without any help) that they earned the power ups from Hagoromo. And last but not least, I wanted to see them this powerful- I wanted to see Naruto using advanced senjutsu/all the powers of the Tailed Beasts and I wanted to see Sasuke having the Rinnegan/Perfect Susanoo. The methods for obtaining this might have been contrived, but in the end, I don't really care too much because I'm happy with the results.

    2. Team 7 vs. Madara Portion-

    • You mentioned Madara getting the Byakugan; frankly, I'm not a fan of that. Can you explain why you would want that/how that would work in the story?
    • I love the idea of Madara using some sort of enhanced Perfect Susanoo- do you have any idea of what it might look like (I don't- I'm not creative enough)?
    • What did you think about my sealing idea? What do you think about a large Kaguya towering over Madara and showing just how powerful she actually was? If something like this happened instead of Kaguya actually being revived, would that make her a better character for you? And while we're on the matter, what do you actually think about the Six Paths Chibaku Tensei itself (I actually think the technique is really badass)?
    • What do you make of Black Zetsu? When I say this, I basically mean anything regarding his character- specifically, what do you think were the exact circumstances of when he was created, when/how was he created, and how did he slip past Hagoromo and Hamura? Also, how much of Kaguya's will do you think was implemented into Black Zetsu (do you think it explains why she comes off as so stupid)?

    3. Alternate Fight/Ending Portion- Again, I didn't want to make this thread too long, so I'm just going to leave a link. Please read this message and let me know your thoughts on it. I'd like to get your opinion on some of my ideas. Specifically, please let me know what you think may be adapted into the anime when you read how I envisioned Naruto vs. Sasuke going down (you'll see that I put in brackets what I think could and could not be added- just want to know how you feel about it). Finally, I'd like to know some of your own thoughts about how you'd write the final fight and ending- you don't have to go as in depth as I did, but it would be cool to get some of your

    III. New Questions/Topics For Discussion:

    • It's kind of piggybacking off the overview, but I'd just like to expand on this a bit more- who are some of your other favorite characters and what are some other favorite arcs, fights, techniques, etc?
    • Of all the deaths in the series, which was your favorite and why?
    • Not really pertaining to the series, but more you/Naruto Answers specifically- how much longer do you think this place will still be relevant? How much longer until the questions stop coming in (after all, they're already starting to dwindle)? And how much longer do you intend to stick around; is there a day where you think you will be done here and just not visit anymore?
    • Is there anything you want to talk about?

    IV. Continuation of "Naruto vs. Sasuke in the Anime" Thread

    As you said you prefer everything in one place, I have taken everything I wrote in the "Naruto vs. Sasuke in the Anime" thread and put it here instead. If you ever need to go back to reference that thread, here is a link.

    Length/Filler: 

    It's funny, when I first asked him the question, all he wrote was "48%", and I found some sort of humor in that since it was just so blunt. But why do you think it's surprising that 48% of the content would be filler? Honestly, I think this is a pretty good estimate, as there is a lot to expand upon in this battle in the anime. Although, why do you think it would be difficult to limit it to only five episodes, when keeping in mind that he would actually go with two or three episodes first and foremost (and while on the topic, what do you think about that kind of an estimate?)? Finally, of the two options, which one would you prefer (essentially, given the new information, what is the perfect length for you)? The chances of them sticking to one animator for the entire battle is very slim- that happens very little in the anime. However, what is a possibility (as mentioned) is that because this fight is such a large deal, they may get a slew of their best people dedicated solely for this battle. And as mentioned above, the best ones are the six he believes will be assigned to the project. Well, when it comes to that I'm thinking we may get some type of filler scenes at the beginning in #695, in which case Sasuke would be keeping up the pressure and Naruto wouldn't enter Six Paths Sage Mode until later. Though that's just a guess, and we can go more into detail about that on the other discussion where I was talking about this type of thing specifically. What do you think about the chances of Naruto and Sasuke using some abilities they weren't shown using in the anime (such as the powers of the Tailed Beasts and the Rinnegan's abilities)?

    Animators:

    True, but again I point out to the fact that the six listed below cannot work on every single episode for the battle. With that said, there will absolutely be a difference in quality- even more so if a lot of filler is added and it extends the fight even longer. I believe I'm in the minority who would prefer better quality for the actual fight (which in this case means adding filler) over better quality animation. It's kind of an obscure comparison, but it's a funny one my friend once used, and so I'd like to borrow it- it's like George Lucas' special edition releases of the original Star Wars movies. While the quality may have been increased due to better technology to enhance the picture, the quality of the overall films diminished because he added so much BS that compromised the experience. It's the same thing here- I prefer the fight itself being improved more than just looking better. Do you see where I'm coming from? But anyways, back to the topic- if you know anything about the animators I listed, what do you think of them? Any you're really happy/angry to see?

    Other Info: 

    Furthermore, he went on to elaborate that if those extended sequences were to occur, they would most likely happen before they entered their powerful forms in #695. I'd imagine it would play out with them engaging in a little taijutsu, some elaborate ninjutsu, and then finally breaching into the filler material with the more eccentric ideas. To be honest, I wouldn't be too surprised if we didn't see them using these kind of abilties, as it would be almost a completely different experience than what we got in the manga. However, once again, that doesn't mean I would be opposed to seeing it- even if would seem kind of out of left field. Though to be honest, almost everything has come out of no where in the last 100 chapters of the manga (need I remind you of Kakashi's Perfect Susanoo?). Compared to that, this wouldn't be such a surprise. And as far as Kishimoto goes, he later went onto clarify that when it comes to the bigger decisions, Studio Pierrot typically consult him in their bigger decisions. Do you think this is something he may agree to change? With that said, I've made a mid-post decision to just take everything from the third discussion revolving around this fight in the anime and post it here, as this is kind of topic-centric (as you'll see, I've removed this content from that discussion). Here's the rest (and a few other parts I thought of):

    • What do you think of this video? Do you think we'll get something similar to this in the anime?
    • Even if the quality may be distracting, which would you prefer- a short fight with consistent animation or an extended battle with good animation for the canon and decent/lackluster animation for the filler scenes, thus making it inconsistent?
    • What do you think is the line that the anime wouldn't cross when adding filler content (for instance, is it too much of a stretch to see something like Naruto using all of the Tailed Beasts powers or Sasuke using Kirin/Shinra Tensei)?
    • What did you want to see from the fight in the manga that you didn't see (though keep in mind that we are talking about something realistic that the anime could add it- nothing too spontaneous, like Sasuke using Lightning Armor that you talked about in the past)? As far as what I want to see the most, there happens to be...
    • ...two that comes to mind- the first is a sequence that is a very choreographed taijutsu confrontation between Naruto and Sasuke (unlike 697, which was completely raw and brutal; think of this as almost like Kakashi vs. Obito in the anime), and the second being 100's of Naruto clones engaging Sasuke while the latter uses interesting methods/techniques to dispatch the clones. What do you think of these ideas? Do you want to see these events happen? Finally, when do you think they might add this kind of filler content in relation to the manga chapters (once again, I'd go with the beginning of #695 or during #697)?


    As far as your question goes, I actually asked that before. First of all, do you know why the anime is doing this horrible Chunin Exams filler right now, even though the manga has already ended? The reason for this is because all of their best animators (such as the six listed above and more than that) are currently working on the Boruto movie. Therefore, they are doing this filler arc now so they can put their best men on the conclusion of the series when they are not busy with the movie. In the long run, this is probably the best option- you don't want to see Naruto, Sasuke & Guy vs. Madara, Team 7 vs. Kaguya, Naruto vs. Sasuke, and the conclusion of the series handled with sh*tty animation, do you? It sucks right now, but we just need to suck it up. He also said he expects this process to continue until summer, meaning that we won't get back to the canon until summer as well. The filler will probably end some time in June or July.

    Regarding the anime ending as a whole, I also asked him about that. If they get back to the canon this summer and added no more filler (meaning arcs- not filler battle scenes), the anime could very well end by the end of 2015. However, it is likely that they may pull an "end of Part I", and create filler between the time gap of 699 and 700. Furthermore, he does believe that they will animate the Boruto miniseries (it's not yet clear if it would still be Naruto Shippuden or a new series entirely), but it's also possible the anime could continue to extend the story even after the miniseries could end. So essentially, there is no clear answer as to when the anime will end. Given how it does make them a lot of money, I don't see it ending anytime soon.




    So there it is. It's a lot to take in, but there's a lot of interesting things to talk about- looking forward to it!!!

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    • One more time, I just want to ask that you please respond to this thread before you move onto this one. Basically, just let me know what your thoughts are on what I wrote, as well as any questions you would like me to ask my source.

      Had I known it would get a lot of attention from other users, I probably would have just made a blog post instead; I was under the impression no one really gave a damn about that stuff anymore. Oh well :P

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    • Obviously I haven't been around lately, as I've been extremely busy this weekend. So it's fine that you didn't get to anything now. However, do you think you can get something done for next weekend, as I'll have the time and I'd really like to read/respond to something new. 

      Also, kind of rushing this time, but can you please give me your thoughts on that Naruto vs. Sasuke in the anime thread I wrote ASAP? I'd really like to get your questions to my guy before I talk to him next.

      Overall, I'm starting to lose a little bit of interest in Naruto Answers now a days, as I just don't really have a reason to come back. There are hardly any questions lately, and when there are, it's usually at the wrong time where I don't get the opportunity to answer them. I always look at the answer to see if they can be improved upon, but they're usually pretty efficient. That's why I'm looking forward to get back into our discussion, as it will be another reason to keep coming back. Hopefully when the miniseries starts, everything will pick up a little bit- both the community and the number of questions.

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    • You have any time to get to this discussion or the further questions I posed on the Naruto vs. Sasuke anime discussion this weekend?

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  • So during our hiatus, I've been searching around and talking to a lot of interesting people. Of those I've encountered, the two most interesting ones would have to be that extensive summary of the Kobayashi interview (speaking of that, did you ever read that?) and what I'm about to share with you now. I have been talking with someone who is essentially an expert on the anime industry and knows what he's talking about. I'm not entirely sure about his profession, but given his track record of many of his predictions actually coming true, I'd be willing to bet he's some how connected with Studio Pierrot. After all, he even put me in connection with Hayato Date, the director of the Naruto Shippuden anime (more on that later). We've talked about a lot of interesting topics, but the one that I was mostly interested in was (as you probably could have guessed) the anime adaptation of Naruto and Sasuke's final battle. With that, I'd just like to share what he said and get your own opinions on that. 

    And just so you know, I'm still talking to him on a regular basis, and so I'll be sure to let you know if he says anything else interesting enough that expands on the subject; we usually write one message to each other once a day, due to the time difference, as he actually lives in Japan (which makes him more reliable in this instance even more so then before).

    Finally, I just want to make it clear one last time that this is not 100% confirmed. This is just an expert's best guess of what may happen based on the past experiences, as well as his previous conversations with those who work at Studio Pierrot. Though despite all of that, much of what he predicted is highly likely to occur, and so that's why I felt it was justified to share this with you. With that said, here you go- 


    I. Length/Filler Content:

    • He believes the fight may be about two or three episodes, with one of them being outsourced to another studio (meaning the quality may not be on par). 
    • However, it's also not impossible for it to be extended to more episodes (such as four or five episodes), though the overall animation quality may dwindle if that was the case.
    • Of the entire fight in the anime, he believes 48% of it will contain filler content.
    • From the extended/filler scenes, the majority will be taijutsu sequences, though the larger battle (Tailed Beast Mode vs. Perfect Susanoo) will also receive extended scenes as well.
    • Depending on the animator, it may also be possible for them to allow Naruto and Sasuke to use some of their abilties they have but did not use in the manga battle. For example, this means Naruto may use powers from all of the Tailed Beasts (such as a Lava Release: Rasenshuriken), while Sasuke may use some Rinnegan abilities he did not display in the manga (such as Shinra Tensei). For the record, don't know how likely this would be, but I would absolutely love to see them do this- even if it doesn't follow the manga.

    II. Animators/What Type of Content They Will Adapt:

    While there could be more or different ones than he suggested, he believes there are six key animators who will be assigned to animate this battle. Along with the list of animators, I will provide a link to their work (if available), as well as what exactly they should be animating (taijutsu sequences, ninjutsu, Godzilla portions, etc).

    • Norio Matsumoto- He would mainly be animating taijutsu/ninjutsu sequences.
    • Hiroyuki Yamashita- He would mainly be animating taijutsu/ninjutsu sequences, along with Matsumoto.
    • Shingo Yamashita (no video; sorry)- He would mainly be animating the Tailed Beast Mode vs. Perfect Susanoo sequences.
    • Tetsuya Nishio (not from Naruto, but you can still see his style)- He would mainly be animating the Tailed Beast Mode vs. Perfect Susanoo sequences, along with Shingo.
    • Hirofumi Suzuki (again, no video)- He would mainly be animating miscellaneous sequences not covered in the previous two (I'm not entirely sure what he means by "misceallaneous"; not sure if that means all the filler or just certain sequences at random- I'll clarify when he responds to me again).
    • Atsushi Wakabayashi (#167 animator)- He would mainly be animating miscellaneous sequences as well, along with Suzuki (again, trying to find out what that means).

    III. Other Miscellaneous Information Pertaining to Battle:

    • As far as filler goes, he thinks the main places where it could be added is before #695 (for some smaller stuff), during sequences in #695/696 (for the Tailed Beast Mode vs. Perfect Susanoo section), and of course during that two-page spread from #697. I'm still trying to find out what kind of stuff he is referring to specifically (especially from that first part, as I'm wondering if he thinks they will add some taijutsu/ninjutsu before they enter their avatars in #695).
    • When it comes to Naruto using Tailed Beast powers/Sasuke using Rinnegan abilities, Wakabayashi is the most likely animator who would do something like that, as he is the one that usually diverts from the path of the manga the most (as referenced in episode #167, when so much filler was added- it might not have looked the best, but that's what I'd like to see when it comes to filler).
    • My source has talked to Hayato Date more extensively than I have (as he obviously has connections), and he said that he was told something like "don't be worried about this fight in the anime, as we know everyone is excited about it and we will do our best!"
    • When I got into contact with Date, he said- いつも応援ありがとうございます、現在いろいろ企画中です放送までお楽しみに。 OAをお楽しみに In English, that translates to- "Thank you for your continuous support. Preparations for the some anime project are now under way. Please Look forward to it!" Nothing important, but still interesting nonetheless. 
    • Date has actually seen this video (which I have asked you a question about on the other discussion), and so it may be possible that he will take influence from this.


    So, that's all I have for you for now. There will probably be more in the future. With that all laid out, what do you think of this? Also, do you have any of your own questions for me to ask (and it doesn't have to be directly related to this fight- almost anything about the anime in general)?

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    • I really don't have any outstanding questions for someone who works on the anime, my questions are more for the author, not the animators. The stuff I put above are just more of fan suggestions than anything. How long the anime is going to be until the finish it is something I would like to know, because I would wonder how much filler they are really planning on, and why exactly they are expanding it to their extent when the series is over. Hopefully there is another reason than just more money.

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    • Alright, finally have the time. Like you said, I might go into more detail later in my response. Also, I'll probably ask some questions similar to those on the other discussion I created, in which case you can just ignore those when you get to it. 

      Length/Filler: 

      It's funny, when I first asked him the question, all he wrote was "48%", and I found some sort of humor in that since it was just so blunt. But why do you think it's surprising that 48% of the content would be filler? Honestly, I think this is a pretty good estimate, as there is a lot to expand upon in this battle in the anime. Although, why do you think it would be difficult to limit it to only five episodes, when keeping in mind that he would actually go with two or three episodes first and foremost (and while on the topic, what do you think about that kind of an estimate?)? Finally, of the two options, which one would you prefer (essentially, given the new information, what is the perfect length for you)? The chances of them sticking to one animator for the entire battle is very slim- that happens very little in the anime. However, what is a possibility (as mentioned) is that because this fight is such a large deal, they may get a slew of their best people dedicated solely for this battle. And as mentioned above, the best ones are the six he believes will be assigned to the project. Well, when it comes to that I'm thinking we may get some type of filler scenes at the beginning in #695, in which case Sasuke would be keeping up the pressure and Naruto wouldn't enter Six Paths Sage Mode until later. Though that's just a guess, and we can go more into detail about that on the other discussion where I was talking about this type of thing specifically. What do you think about the chances of Naruto and Sasuke using some abilities they weren't shown using in the anime (such as the powers of the Tailed Beasts and the Rinnegan's abilities)?

      Animators:

      True, but again I point out to the fact that the six listed below cannot work on every single episode for the battle. With that said, there will absolutely be a difference in quality- even more so if a lot of filler is added and it extends the fight even longer. I believe I'm in the minority who would prefer better quality for the actual fight (which in this case means adding filler) over better quality animation. It's kind of an obscure comparison, but it's a funny one my friend once used, and so I'd like to borrow it- it's like George Lucas' special edition releases of the original Star Wars movies. While the quality may have been increased due to better technology to enhance the picture, the quality of the overall films diminished because he added so much BS that compromised the experience. It's the same thing here- I prefer the fight itself being improved more than just looking better. Do you see where I'm coming from? But anyways, back to the topic- if you know anything about the animators I listed, what do you think of them? Any you're really happy/angry to see?

      Other Info: 

      Furthermore, he went on to elaborate that if those extended sequences were to occur, they would most likely happen before they entered their powerful forms in #695. I'd imagine it would play out with them engaging in a little taijutsu, some elaborate ninjutsu, and then finally breaching into the filler material with the more eccentric ideas. To be honest, I wouldn't be too surprised if we didn't see them using these kind of abilties, as it would be almost a completely different experience than what we got in the manga. However, once again, that doesn't mean I would be opposed to seeing it- even if would seem kind of out of left field. Though to be honest, almost everything has come out of no where in the last 100 chapters of the manga (need I remind you of Kakashi's Perfect Susanoo?). Compared to that, this wouldn't be such a surprise. And as far as Kishimoto goes, he later went onto clarify that when it comes to the bigger decisions, Studio Pierrot typically consult him in their bigger decisions. Do you think this is something he may agree to change? With that said, I've made a mid-post decision to just take everything from the third discussion revolving around this fight in the anime and post it here, as this is kind of topic-centric (as you'll see, I've removed this content from that discussion). Here's the rest (and a few other parts I thought of):

      • What do you think of this video? Do you think we'll get something similar to this in the anime?
      • Even if the quality may be distracting, which would you prefer- a short fight with consistent animation or an extended battle with good animation for the canon and decent/lackluster animation for the filler scenes, thus making it inconsistent?
      • What do you think is the line that the anime wouldn't cross when adding filler content (for instance, is it too much of a stretch to see something like Naruto using all of the Tailed Beasts powers or Sasuke using Kirin/Shinra Tensei)?
      • What did you want to see from the fight in the manga that you didn't see (though keep in mind that we are talking about something realistic that the anime could add it- nothing too spontaneous, like Sasuke using Lightning Armor that you talked about in the past)? As far as what I want to see the most, there happens to be...
      • ...two that comes to mind- the first is a sequence that is a very choreographed taijutsu confrontation between Naruto and Sasuke (unlike 697, which was completely raw and brutal; think of this as almost like Kakashi vs. Obito in the anime), and the second being 100's of Naruto clones engaging Sasuke while the latter uses interesting methods/techniques to dispatch the clones. What do you think of these ideas? Do you want to see these events happen? Finally, when do you think they might add this kind of filler content in relation to the manga chapters (once again, I'd go with the beginning of #695 or during #697)?


      As far as your question goes, I actually asked that before. First of all, do you know why the anime is doing this horrible Chunin Exams filler right now, even though the manga has already ended? The reason for this is because all of their best animators (such as the six listed above and more than that) are currently working on the Boruto movie. Therefore, they are doing this filler arc now so they can put their best men on the conclusion of the series when they are not busy with the movie. In the long run, this is probably the best option- you don't want to see Naruto, Sasuke & Guy vs. Madara, Team 7 vs. Kaguya, Naruto vs. Sasuke, and the conclusion of the series handled with sh*tty animation, do you? It sucks right now, but we just need to suck it up. He also said he expects this process to continue until summer, meaning that we won't get back to the canon until summer as well. The filler will probably end some time in June or July.

      Regarding the anime ending as a whole, I also asked him about that. If they get back to the canon this summer and added no more filler (meaning arcs- not filler battle scenes), the anime could very well end by the end of 2015. However, it is likely that they may pull an "end of Part I", and create filler between the time gap of 699 and 700. Furthermore, he does believe that they will animate the Boruto miniseries (it's not yet clear if it would still be Naruto Shippuden or a new series entirely), but it's also possible the anime could continue to extend the story even after the miniseries could end. So essentially, there is no clear answer as to when the anime will end. Given how it does make them a lot of money, I don't see it ending anytime soon.

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  • I saw a post today saying that Naruto will indeed go on to a Part 3.

    I was wondering if there was any proof of this or if it was confirmed somewhere else? (I saw it on Facebook..so my skepticism is high)

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    • It is confirmed, but I don't think it's what you think. Part III is the Boruto Mini-Series, it going to launch sometime in the Spring. It's only going to last a few months though.

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    • Yeah that's what I thought. The way this was worded though made it sound like it was going to be a big thing. I figured it would be centered around Boruto though.

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    • It's not really going to be anything big. We will be lucky if it lasts until August, when the Boruto movie is coming out. That is mostly what the Boruto mini-series is for, to lead into the movie, which will finish it off.

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  • Is it wrong being a hero? Cause sometimes I hear some people say that it's for fools.

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    • Depends on the context. The problem with heroes sometimes is that they are very self-righteous, which can get old quick. The silent hero is probably much better, because you know their reasons are entirely noble. It's why Itachi is probably more liked than Naruto.

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  • I know you're definitely getting this because it's a new thread.

    Alright I'm done with school and my weekend has now started. I'm about to start planning out my weekend so can you please just let me know what your plans for the discussion are? Thanks!

    P.S. What are your thoughts on this stupid dress debacle?

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    • I'm kind of in the same situation, I'm off on break until the 30th, but my sister is coming into visit, so I'm getting ready for that. If I do respond back, it probably won't be until about later tonight or maybe tomorrow.

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    • Take your time. As I always say, family is the most important thing in life. All I really ask is that you try to get some of it done by next weekend, as I'm really antsy to get back into the swing of things.

      Just so you know, I took everything from the Naruto vs. Sasuke in the anime message and posted it to the original message of Discussion #3. After all, you said you would like everything to be in one place, so I didn't see the reason to separate the two anymore. Hopefully that makes it easier for you.

      BTW, I like your new profile pic. I've been thinking about updating mine as well- just don't know what to replace it with.

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  • Hey Omega, how've you been? If you recall back to when I posted that summary of The Last: Naruto the Movie, you saw that it was translated by a person on tumblr named Utapurinsesu. After reading through the summary, I created a tumblr account so I could get in touch with this person and ask him some questions that we all had. Well, we stayed in contact all this time, and we've been talking about a bunch of things. One of the more interesting ones is a almost (he has 10 minutes left to summarize that he will do at another time) complete summary of the interview Kishimoto did with Kobayashi (here is a link to the interview). While I'm sure you read a few bits about this from other sources (this is the same interview that said Neji died to make NaruHina happen, and that Kishimoto originally wanted to have Naruto and Sasuke holding hands instead of losing their arms), Utapurinsesu went into a lot more detail, and revealed some interesting facts. I thought it was pretty cool, so I figured I'll post what he said for you to see. Just so you know, I'm posting exactly what he wrote from our conversations, so if some things don't make sense, ask me for any context. Alright, here's the full summary:


    8.18 – 8:43 about Kagebunshin

    Ki “Kagebunshin…” Ko “I actually wanted to ask you about that afterwards” Ki “Oh sorry” [laughs] Ko ”But I’ll ask now. We get the impression that you kinda dug your own grave with that one” [drawing Naruto with so many bunshin from the start] Ki “Yeah I think so” Ko “Because you went and did right from chapter 1” Ki “Yeah…” Ko “So you had to balance his power from the start” Ki “That’s right. He [Naruto] quickly got stronger, didn’t he. When he improved, his number of bunshin increased too. I just thought ‘Ive really done it now!’”


    Ok, so now from the actual Q&A session, I’ll just summarize what was said because its far too long… Here is the first half and I’ll do the second half another time.

    Q1: ”I’ve always wondered where you began to come up with the concept of ‘Naruto’ as a story and thought that that’s what yoou’d write about.”

    A: Apparently he started out wanting to write a story about an old guy who owns a ramen shop and a young boy comes by, or something uninteresting like that. Other things also got mixed in with that like a story which was supposed to be really spectacular and it was about straightening up their lives and other emotive plots… He showed that to his publishers but they told him the story is way too far from what they want, and Kobayashi agrees that it doesn’t have any elements befitting a weekly Shounen Jump series. He started to research other shounen series (especially Akira Toriyama, who he was a big fan of). In the end the name ‘Naruto’ came from this failed story attempt, as well as the obvious influences that made it into the actual series. Then he made a story not about ninjas but about youkai (demons), where the main character was a fox who shape-shifted into a human. This story changed again so he made the fox demon into a human and redrew the whole thing, and submitted that version

    He wanted to do something different to other artists who had written about ninjas, so made Naruto blond, more like a foreigner than a ninja. He also decided to make ninjas more about ‘helping/ protecting’ rather than ‘dying’ and also less about ‘staying hidden’. After trying this out, he was then asked by kids ‘Is that really a ninja?’ and he thought ‘Uh oh. I’ve gone off on a tangent again!’ But he decided he wanted to stick with it anyway and his publishers also said its fine only being this far off the mark [about what a ninja is].

    Q2: “Do you remember how you came about the catchphrase ‘dattebayo’?”

    [This answer was kinda hard for me to understand coz the logic in his answer kinda jumps around a bit. This is what I THINK he meant] A: He decided to make a catchphrase that sounded silly that an old person etc would come out with. He also thought something that sounded like a speech impediment would be good, so decided to go with ‘dattebayo’”.

    Q3: “Did you have to think hard about [the setting/ creation of] naruto’s classmates?”

    A: Kishimoto didn’t actually originally intend for that kind of setting. Originally he intended to focus on various missions that Naruto went on, meeting 4-man cells from other villages. The teachers of the 4-man cell would be Kakashis rival. But after discussing this with his editor, he was told there wouldn’t be time for such a slow-paced development, so he needed to come bring all these characters and villages out at once. You’re going to make a tournament. Kishimoto said he can’t do it and if he did it’d kill him [not literally], but he was told to do it even if it kills him. That is how the Chuunin exams arc came about. That was what he was forced to do. But even now he wish he could do his original idea about focusing on missions.

    So he found it really difficult coming up with so many new characters and their designs in one go with no material to go on. So he asked for some designs from his editor to help, who saw a really weird looking keychain (?) and made drawings based on that, and that’s where Gai and Lee’s etc designs came from.

    Kobayashi says that listening to what he said earlier about Kakashi’s rival, it sounds like he was originally planning for team Gai to be from another village when introducing them here [since they weren’t introduced with the other rookies/ teachers]. Kishimoto says that was originally the case, but they decided it was better for Kakashi to have a rival from inside the village so they went with this instead and introduced Team Gai as being from Konoha.

    Kishimoto also says that the series picked up popularity thanks to the tournament aspect to find out who’d win, and even Kishimoto himself started to enjoy writing this part. But his editorial team told him to introduce a villain called Orochimaru in there that would stop the tournament from being finished instead. Kishimoto was disappointed since he was really getting into it, and had already put out the idea that he wanted Shikamaru to win. But before being told to put in the plot development of the tournament being destroyed, Kishimoto does admit that he was worrying about how to write Shikamaru’s fights for the rest of the tournament and make him the winner, since Shikamaru has an IQ of 200 and he [Kishimoto] doesn’t have a very high one, so he didn’t know how to pull it off.

    Q4: “Why did you decide to introduce a strong enemy like Zabuza right at the beginning of the series?”

    A: Kishimoto says that he wanted to do this right off the bat to show off Kakashi’s strength as an example of what an experienced ninja can do in the Narutoverse. This would set some cornerstones down in the manga straight away and make it easier for the audience to put things into perspective. Kobayashi points out that there were many things introduced in this arc that played huge roles right until the end of the series (kekkei genkai, sharingan etc), but Kishimoto just said he was ‘bluffing’ with these things in the beginning [nb: in other words he just made them up without any thought on how to use them in the future]. At the time he was just making these things up for the excitement and suspense, but didn’t pick up on what to do with some of these threads long-term until later. Basically he was making it up as he went. Even with Sasuke’s backstory, at the time of the Wave Arc, all that had been thought out was that Sasuke had an elder brother who had done something bad, and that was it. Kishimoto admits the planning was very hazy at this point. However, at the point where Itachi is actually introduced, Kishimoto had decided to secretly make him a good guy, but the reason he did something bad was because of circumstances. Kishimoto also says that although he introduced the Sharingan as being able to copy moves, the premise on what the Sharingan could do changed drastically over the course of the storyline.

    Kobayashi comments that the concept of focusing on eyeballs in a Shounen manga is unique, and Kishimoto laughs and agrees. Kishimoto explains that theres a really old story called ‘Take of the Gallant Jiraiya’ that often comes up in Kabuki and the like, where the main character Jiraiya actually has the Sharingan. Kishimoto decided to take the concept of the Sharingan from this story and create the Uchiha clan to give the Sharingan to. And because Kakashi also has a Sharingan despite not being an Uchiha, he wanted this to be a mystery that kept readers interested as to how he got it.

    Kobayashi comments that this mystery isn’t explained until Kakashi Gaiden much, much further down the line, but even so, you can see the group picture of Kakashi, Obito, Rin and Minato early on in the series [Kobayashi is showing a page from chapter 16]. Kishimoto says that may be so, but even by chapter 16 he had already decided this storyline, about Obito being an Uchiha, and that Minato was Naruto’s dad (but doesn’t confirm if he’d decided Minato’s name by then). Speaking of Minato, even though his identity was confirmed by this point, to begin with Kishimoto hadn’t thought of creating a fourth Hokage or him being Naruto’s dad. Kishimoto knew that he would have to introduce what had happened to his dad somewhere in the story, but didn’t know how to do it. Before coming up with Minato as the 4th Hokage, Minato’s spot on the Hokage Monument was actually taken by a dog [nb: you read that right, a dog]. He explains that at the time he actually wanted to try out that a ‘ninken’ (ninja dog) like those owned by the Inuzuka had been the Hokage at one point. But his editor told him he was thinking off on a tangent again, so instead of that just make him the main character’s dad instead.

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    On the popularity of characters - Kobayashi asks if Kishimoto had any idea how popular he thought Kakashi would be, as he became the most popular character, to which Kishimoto replies that he had no idea how he became so popular. Kobayashi says he’s missing the point and they both laugh, and suggests that maybe the reason is because Kakashi is cool.

    Kobayashi then says that Jiraiya was also popular, to which Kishimoto agrees. Kobayashi suggests that it’s because he’s always acting pervy and has Icha Icha etc. Kishimoto goes on to say that the characters he actually having the intention to become popular actually flopped. This is the case of Sai, who wasn’t well received at all. Kimimaro was also the same. Kimimaro was actually popular at first, but as soon as he was shown to pull out his spinal cord his popularity disappeared. Kobayashi suggests that maybe it’s because it grossed the fans out, especially female fans.

    On Sakura’s popularity & character - Kobayashi then asks about Sakura. Kishimoto says he tried to write her more realistically [than other characters], and tried to show a girl’s ‘real’ self/ feelings [through inner Sakura]. He thought she would appeal to female fans, but was surprised when she actually became hated. Kobayashi asks if there was a lot of Sakura hate, and Kishimoto says there was, and even young girls told him they hate her. Kishimoto said that he continued on regretting Sakura’s character. Kobayashi apologizes for bringing up the painful memories as Kishimoto apologizes for tailing off (lol).

    Kobayashi said that his team were discussing in a meeting why Sakura’s family was never written. He says that they eventually appeared in a movie, but not in the manga. Even when all the parents are shown along with their children during the war, and even random relatives are shown, Sakura’s parents aren’t seen. He says that they came across like a civilian family and kind of made Sakura seem on the side-lines. He asks Kishimoto why this is, and Kishimoto replies that, honestly speaking, Sakura was that unpopular that even if he expanded on her… (nb. He tails off in what he’s saying). Kobayashi reiterates Kishimoto’s statement, and Kishimoto tells him that’s right, to which Kobayashi laughs.

    Kobayashi asks if it was too late to drop her, and Kishimoto says that he just had to persevere with her, and thought about how to raise her popularity. In the 4th volume, a cover page shows her with Katsuyu, so this was the direction he tried to work in. In later volumes, he tries to draw her more beautifully. On the cover page of Vol 66, he drew Sasuke and Naruto quickly, but with Sakura he took a long time to draw her beautifully and was using source materials as guides. But he says that in the end no one really took notice (it had no effect), and Hinata’s popularity just kept going up on its own.

    Kishimoto explains that Hinata, like Sakura, never really did anything but her popularity just kept going up and up, so part way through the story he started to wonder whether he should make her the main heroine instead, or at least gradually write her into the direction of the heroine.

    They then go on to talking about Part II/ Shippuden.

    On Shippuden’s/ Part II’s plot - Kobayashi starts off asking about whether there was framework put in place for the direction of Shippuden’s story. Kishimoto replies that because Naruto and his group were so weak as genin in the first part, so he wanted to make them stronger in the second part. This is especially because he introduced the Akatsiki, who are all Jonin level, so he had to make the main cast stronger too. He also used the timeskip as a chance to change their clothes, since he didn’t like the swirl on the arm of Naruto’s jacket, and also his thick collar in Part 1 got in the way of his face in action scenes. So he drew a small collar and dropped the swirl. He also added the headband with the long tails at the back so they would stand out and flutter during action scenes.

    On Akatsuki - Kobayashi then goes on to say that when the Akatsuki were first introduced [when they were as shadows during their meetings] it was really exciting. Kobayashi says his favorite pair were Hidan and Kakuzu, to which Kishimoto agrees, saying Hidan was his favorite overall. Kobayashi says that they gave off a real sense of danger and malice. He also says that the concept of them both being immortal, albeit for different reasons, was really interesting. Kishimoto said he was worried at first about how he was depicting Hidan, who stabbed himself then said it felt good. Kobayashi says that it’s also the case of the damage he inflicted on Asuma.

    On censorship scenes - Kobayashi then brings up the scene where Shikamaru is smoking Asuma’s cigarette, saying that it gave off the feeling of a boy becoming an adult. Kishimoto said he didn’t think they’d be able to show this in the anime. Kobayashi admits he was worried when this first came out. Kishimoto said that he thought he’d be told he can’t show a minor smoking [in the manga], since manga regulations are very strict. He had a meeting with his editor about whether he should change it or not, and in the end his editor told him to not worry about it and just try and go through with it anyway. If the people above wanted to edit it they would. Kobayashi brings up a scene where Hidan’s head is lopped off, and Kishimoto comments that the editing department told him to add black bars at the side for censoring. Kobayashi asks if Hidan is still buried underground, and Kishimoto says he is. Kishimoto wondered whether to put him in the war, but in the end he didn’t want to have even more characters to draw, so he didn’t.

    Kobayashi then brings up the scene where Shikamaru is smoking again and he starts crying and flicks the cigarette away, Kobayashi comments that for a shounen series this was an incredibly serious scene. Kobayashi asks if he likes this kind of stuff, and Kishimoto says that surprisingly he does like these kinds of movies etc. He can’t out too much of this kind of thing into a shounen series, but he put in a little bit of something he finds interesting.

    Kobayashi then asks about Akatsuki, saying they’re not just a normal organization, and they don’t really know much about each other. (nb: this next line I’m not sure about) Kishimoto says that in real life there are such professional organizations where a group of individuals come together, so he wanted to draw a parallel to that. And he drew Pain to be the leader bringing together these individuals.

    On camera & layout techniques in the manga - Kobayashi asks if the scene where Pain first appears looking down on the world was difficult, because the background was very complex. Kishimoto says it was very difficult, and at first he had to carefully pencil everything out. Kishimoto says that he also drew the detailed background in the scene where Naruto is looking down over Konoha when he first comes back. Kishimoto said he had to draw it to make the whole image come together properly. Kobayashi notices a sign in Pain’s scene that reads ‘hankerchief’ and asks about it, and Kishimoto says it’s a homage to [another series called] Bobobo-Bobobobo. Kobayashi comments that it’s amazing considering he only had one week to do this for the deadline. Kishimoto says that image took him 3 days to do.

    Kobayashi then brings up about other unique shots, like the shot of Deidara sitting on Gaara’s body (which has a fish-eye lens effect). Kishimoto says he loves that kind of shot and was inspired by the work ‘Akira’. He says he like how it adds depth to the world using that lens method. Kobayashi shows the cover page of chapter 106 commenting that it looks like the kind of shot found in pervy AV [Adult Video= softporn] films. Kishimoto states that he’s never researched that kind of thing.

    Kobayashi then shows the scene where Naruto punches Haku, which is showing the same punch but at three different angle. Kishimoto comments that this is a technique often used in films known as ‘double action’. He says that in Jackie Chan’s movies for example, it is used to emphasis the strength of the punch. Kishimoto says he wanted to use that effect in his manga. Kobayashi says he has a question about why the faces aren’t shown when Naruto hits someone, and if that was intentional. Kishimoto replies that it is cooler that way, because rather than the focus being on the face, the focus of attention is on the body’s [recoil] and it’s more expressive that way. He says that in important scenes he plans it so to not draw they’re faces.

    Kobayashi then asks about another layout technique he uses, where in Naruto/ Sasuke fights the Naruto and Sasuke panels are connected on the left and right page, and the development of action progresses from the top of the page to the bottom. Kishimoto says that this is a manga technique that he thought to use that is easy to follow, as both are connected it doesn’t matter where you are looking you can easily follow what both sides are doing at the same time. He says that he designed it to be quick and simple to skim over and not to emphasis looking at the details, since you’re reading both pages at the same time.

    Kobayashi shows an example of a complicated double-page layout. Kishomoto says that the panels are messed up and random to express the confusion of the fight, and the reader also doesn’t know where to look. Also, because it makes you look around the page quickly, it adds a sense of speed to the battle as well. Kobayashi understands that this was a deliberate technique, because at the time he wondered if it was OK for Kishimoto to have submitted this for publication.

    On the War arc Moving on, Kobayashi comments that the war arc must have been very difficult. Kishimoto says it was, and that in the Pain fight, Pain comments about Naruto not having experienced war. This part set the story towards the war arc, so Naruto could come up with his final answer after having experienced war for himself. Kishimoto explains that this conversation in the Pain arc meant that he couldn’t back down from steering the story towards a war arc. Kobayashi says that everyone popped up during the war arc, and Kishimoto said that he wanted to use that as a way to wrap things up from the entire series so far.

    He says he did an unimportant old man fight between Mifune and Hanzo, which was unusual for a shounen manga. He said he was told off [by his editor?] and told to drop the old man fight already. Kobayashi says that actually, that fight was his [Kobayashi’s show’s] directors favorite fight. Kishimoto thanks him. Kobyashi shows one part of that fight scene and comments how they are thinking back in the past as they are fighting. Kishimoto said he originally wanted to do a seppuku (ritual suicide) scene, but then he started to think it’d be a bit harsh to do that considering he’s an old man, so he started to go off the idea. Kobayashi asks about Mifune’s popularity with a shounen audience and Kishimoto replies that he wasn’t popular one bit. Kobayashi laughs and says that he thinks Mifune is cool, and that it’s interesting that samurai have developed to be on par with ninjas in a ninja world. Kishimoto says that if they didn’t develop, then… Kobayashi comments that they wouldn’t be samurai if they didn’t persist, and Kishimoto agrees. Kobayashi says that it’s a cool scene, but asks how it went down with a shounen audience. Kishimoto says that the opinion was ‘will this old man fight finish soon? The main characters not even in it’.

    Kobayashi says he likes the war arc, and that he liked the 2nd Mizukage, who tells everyone his own weaknesses. Kishimoto says that even though he’s an old man as well, he was actually fairly popular. Kishimoto said he thought it’d be interesting to have that character actually give away how to defeat himself and to demend it be done quickly. Kobayashi asks whether doing the Edo Tensei was difficult, and Kishimoto says yes. He says that from the Pain arc onwards, Naruto just defeats the enemy without intent to kill and settles things verbally. Doing it this way is more shounen-like so he felt he had to go down this direction. But he felt this kind of killed the mood, so from there he introduced the zetsu clones (and Edo Tensei) to have someone to beat. Kobayashi asks about the characters that didn’t come back as Edo Tensei, like Jiraiya, Konan and Hidan. Kishimoto said he didn’t want Jiraiya to come back, because he couldn’t possibly write it in a good way. Jiraiya’s death was a big part of Naruto’s development and brought him closer to understanding Sasuke’s feelings, so bringing Jiraiya back would undo that. The Edo Tensei was mostly a way to draw Madara out into the story.

    They go on to talk about Madara’s appearance, and that it’s the real him rather than just the Rinne Tensei. Kishimoto says it kind of ended up complicated about reviving him with Rinne Tensei or with Edo Tensei and the difference between the two.

    On Sakura’s Love Letter scene - Kobayashi laughingly brings up the unusual scene where Sakura gets a love letter [during the war]. Kishimoto explains that the reason for that was to give the anime team a lead for a [filler] story, because if they just kept doing the war arc at the pace they were going at then they would catch up with the manga. Kobayashi says this ‘Love letter incident’ is an unbelievable occurrence, and Kishimoto admits that he didn’t know what to write, he just had to put something. Kobayashi finds this hilarious and asks ‘so your answer was a love letter, then?’

    On Neji’s death - Kobayashi comments that there were many casualties during the war, but he was surprised about Neji, and asks Kishimoto why he was chosen. Kishimoto explains that because he decided to make Hinata into the lead heroine a while back, he used Neji’s death as a way to bring her and Naruto together. He goes on to explain that although there is the scene where she stands up to Pain, he wanted to create an opening for Naruto to consciously realize that she is by his side and thank her for that, so he used Neji’s death to do this. Kishimoto says that in this way Neji sort of took on the role of cupid for the two of them. He then explains that it was at this time when Kishimoto came up with the name of ‘Bolt’ for their son, which has a similar meaning to ‘Neji’ (screw), as a homage to the late uncle who brought his parents together. Kishimoto says that ‘if’ there is a manga about Bolt (nb: it wasn’t confirmed by this point), he wants to include scenes focusing on Neji. Kobayashi asks if it’s ok to mention something like this [project], and Kishimoto says that this is only hypothetical.

    On the final battle between Naruto & Sasuke - Kobayashi says the war arc was great, and then goes on to asking about the final battle between Naruto and Sasuke. Kishimoto said that because Sasuke was introduced as a rival character in the beginning, he also wanted the manga to end with Sasuke and Naruto fighting as rivals. Kobayashi comments that this conclusive battle has been a long time coming, and that it has been a long time since Sasuke first left the village. Kishimoto agrees and says that after writing his leaving arc, he was a bit frustrated because he didn’t know what to do with him anymore. But he said he could also understand Sasuke’s actions after leaving the village in some ways, and Kobayashi agrees. Kishimoto said he wanted the audience to understand Sasuke’s point of view, and wrote the story so he could push this idea. Kishimoto also explains that there were times when his editor told him he hasn’t properly captured Sasuke’s facial expression to show his character, and sometimes had to redraw him many times. He said that both he and Sakura were always a pain to draw. Kakashi was also difficult to draw facial expressions for since his face is covered. Kobayashi comments that designing these characters this way is Kishimoto’s form of self-hatred, and they laugh.

    About the final battle, Kishimoto says he didn’t want them to use ninjutsu. He said he wanted it to end in a boys’ fist fight, despite it not being in the usual spirit of Jump (and they bothered him about it). He then goes on to talk about when they both lose their arms (which is their dominant arm), relates back to a flashback in the beginning of the manga where they cross each other’s fingers, but now they can’t do that. So he used the Madara and Hashirama statues, who represented Indra and Asura, to hold hands instead, with Naruto and Sasuke on top. Kishimoto said he’s always wanted to draw this scene, even since Part I.

    On ending the manga - Kobayashi flicks through that chapter and comments that one of the daimyo looks like himself. Also in another panel there is a picture of one of Kishimoto’s cats in the background. Kobayashi then asks about the Jolly Roger mark on the Hokage Monument in chapter 700. Kishimoto says that it is a tribute to his fellow-managaka, Eiichiro Oda, who wrote One Piece. In the back of the Jump volume, there are some messages from his fellow managakas, and Oda’s says that they are rivals. Kishimoto says he feels the same way. He also says he was surprised, because he never heard they’d do that [publishing messages from all the authors to him], and it’s the first time something like that has been done. Kobayashi says that it’s a sign that he is a great mangaka who has created an amazing piece of work, and Kishimoto thanks him.

    [Until 49.20]

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    • Did you read any of this? Anything you find interesting?

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    • Have you found the time to read this? I'm telling you, there's interesting stuff here...

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    • I'm leaving this here in order not to make the discussions message any longer than it is.

      I'm sorry for bugging you so adamantly (as that's what I'm doing), but my OCD can't help it. If you couldn't tell, I'm a very organized person and I like planning stuff. That's why I ask you if you'll be able to get to any of the three topics I mentioned over the weekend so I can plan to write a response (as it does take some time to completely organize/write my thoughts). Besides the fact that I'm really antsy to get some of your thoughts on all the topics I mentioned, I just really want to know what the deal is so I can plan accordingly. Therefore, when you see this message, can you please just let me know what the deal is for this weekend? 

      Thanks, and have a great night!

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  • I posted "Did Kishimoto Know Itachi Would be Good from the Beginning?"

    Why was it deleted?

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    • No, you don't understand the coding. As the Systems Operator I have tabs that can delete questions based on certain criteria. One button is "QG" for questions that violate the Question Guidelines. There isn't anything more specific I can do. Believe me, going that indepth on the topic isn't usually necessary. You say "people are frustrated when the questions get deleted", but to tell you the truth, you are the first one whose brought forth an issue in some time. Not to say there isn't any, but usually our questioners are accepting of the guidelines and acknowledge when a question violates the guidelines or policies. Not that you questioning is wrong, it's perfectly fine, I just want you to know that most don't make such a big deal out of the process as you might think.

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    • I understand, and I'll admit I was too forth coming with this.  Sorry about that.

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